sounds intresting if it actually doesn't blow up your celica. you should send a Hydro kit, (snicker) to the owner of the website, and let him play with one.
i do suppose this is going to come with engine management?
sounds intresting if it actually doesn't blow up your celica. you should send a Hydro kit, (snicker) to the owner of the website, and let him play with one.
NO THANK YOU!!! - there was mighty good reason that just last week I just had $1,200+ worth of work done on my 2001 Celica to fully replace the emissions system (o2 sensors, cat, piping.. etc). and I wouldn't dare mess with anything that could land me in massive fines-ville for bypassing/removing the CAT... we all know how extremely strict California is about that
...especially with the rash of random "pop your hood" checks the police are doing here in SoCal (a few people are being hit by this harassment, two and three times each week )
Catalytic Converter: A motor vehicle pollution control device designed to reduce emissions such as oxides of nitrogen, hydrocarbons, and carbon monoxide. Catalytic converters have been required equipment on all new motor vehicles sold in California since 1979.
It's not just your imagination... Your day really does go by twice as fast while on EverythingCelica.com
sounds intresting if it actually doesn't blow up your celica. you should send a Hydro kit, (snicker) to the owner of the website, and let him play with one.
NO THANK YOU!!! - there was mighty good reason that just last week I just had $1,200+ worth of work done on my 2001 Celica to fully replace the emissions system (o2 sensors, cat, piping.. etc). and I wouldn't dare mess with anything that could land me in massive fines-ville for bypassing/removing the CAT... we all know how extremely strict California is about that
...especially with the rash of random "pop your hood" checks the police are doing here in SoCal (a few people are being hit by this harassment, two and three times each week )
Catalytic Converter: A motor vehicle pollution control device designed to reduce emissions such as oxides of nitrogen, hydrocarbons, and carbon monoxide. Catalytic converters have been required equipment on all new motor vehicles sold in California since 1979.
Ok, If you are running ZERO emissions without a CAT on that is great. What would be the difference if you were running the system, had a catlaytic converter with all the junk knocked out of it, and it was just for show? I will tell you what the difference would be...MORE POWER because of more flow. All C.A.R.B. is gonna do is look and see if you have a CAT. They are not going to unbolt your pipe and see if there is anything actually in it! Once your vehicle passes the test running almost completely free of hydrocarbons I coubt they will give it a second thought.
Rocketman - I'm glad you feel so strongly about your latest projects... but I'm sure that CARB also feels strongly about penalizing others for messing with the law - no matter how legal you might think it is.
I have no clue how it is where you live - but here in SoCal if you drive a vehicle with any sort of body modifications, you are making yourself a target and will most likely be stereotyped in the same category as those who actually do commit reckless driving crimes... AND will be treated by the police as such.
I don't need to deal with additional BS - a percentage of police here are already biast such a large percentage that they make the good cops also look bad
Your projects may be good for Idaho residents - but as far as this California resident is concerned, its just one more red-flag that I would have to sweat each time I see a cop on the road... i personally don't need the extra stress
In California, everyone is guilty until they can prove otherwise
Ok, If you are running ZERO emissions without a CAT on that is great. What would be the difference if you were running the system, had a catlaytic converter with all the junk knocked out of it, and it was just for show? I will tell you what the difference would be...MORE POWER because of more flow. All C.A.R.B. is gonna do is look and see if you have a CAT. They are not going to unbolt your pipe and see if there is anything actually in it! Once your vehicle passes the test running almost completely free of hydrocarbons I coubt they will give it a second thought.
Didn't you read my post? No vehicle will give you zero emissions! Its just not efficient enough, the problem of every combustion reaction. Its like trying to reach absolute zero temperature. You certainly cannot do it without a catalytic converter. Root word cataly, like catalyst, speeds up reactions, lowers activation energy of the reaction, and helps combustion go to completion (no side products, C02 and H20 only)
If they tested your vehicle, CARB could tell if you did something to it or not, based upon average emissions for each stock vehicle.
Study up on your chemistry, bro! It explains quite a bit.
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I live in Louisiana, so I dont have any real prob with cops. You only get pulled over here if ur speedin, too loud, or other common ofences. Ive not heard of anyone gettin pulled over for lookin like a street racing maniac.
Ok, If you are running ZERO emissions without a CAT on that is great. What would be the difference if you were running the system, had a catlaytic converter with all the junk knocked out of it, and it was just for show? I will tell you what the difference would be...MORE POWER because of more flow. All C.A.R.B. is gonna do is look and see if you have a CAT. They are not going to unbolt your pipe and see if there is anything actually in it! Once your vehicle passes the test running almost completely free of hydrocarbons I coubt they will give it a second thought.
Didn't you read my post? No vehicle will give you zero emissions! Its just not efficient enough, the problem of every combustion reaction. Its like trying to reach absolute zero temperature. You certainly cannot do it without a catalytic converter. Root word cataly, like catalyst, speeds up reactions, lowers activation energy of the reaction, and helps combustion go to completion (no side products, C02 and H20 only)
If they tested your vehicle, CARB could tell if you did something to it or not, based upon average emissions for each stock vehicle.
Study up on your chemistry, bro! It explains quite a bit.
Ok, the reason I posted Zero was becasue one of our emissions readouts actually read ZERO. Beleive it or not it did. I will post it as soon as I CAN FIGURE OUT THIS SCANNER!
Of course this doesn't mean that every car or ever emissions test will read Zero. However, my point is that the emissions are reduced SO significantly that you could remove your Catalytic converter, or just keep it on and mod your car more than you could before.
I understand if you don't want to try one Isaac and that is OK! I am not trying to push this on anyone. Once you see what it can do it will practically sell itself. But that is the point. YOU decide.
Add New Hardware. Let windows detect plug and play device. Have installation CD in CD tray. Windows should basically run you through installation of scanner. Put paper in scanner. Use the software you got with scanner to scan paper. it can't be that hard can it
Good luck with it all...I personally try not to jump to conclusions and to give everyone a chance. I'm a patient person and I would really like to see the results of your R&D in a few months. I'll tell you that if you come up with some good results and get some reputable people to try it and back you up, I'll get one. I already planning on lowering the compression in my GTS for a turbo system anyway so I'm not worried. Good luck and keep us informed.
Add New Hardware. Let windows detect plug and play device. Have installation CD in CD tray. Windows should basically run you through installation of scanner. Put paper in scanner. Use the software you got with scanner to scan paper. it can't be that hard can it
Hey, Maybe you can help! I have a Artec e+48 U scanner. Windows won't install it without a driver. Because I couldn't find my driver disk I tried downloading the drivers. I installed them, but whenever I try to scan it reads..."cannot operate!"
Then it says that if failed to start the "twain Driver" "TWAIN ERROR" Please Help!
Back on the octane bandwagon. About NOS. Isn't NOS more volitile than gasoline? PLEASE correct me if I am wrong. Many users are running NOS on Celica GTS with no problem. This runs MUCH cooler than NOS, has the same effect, but is a much smaller constant "shot." You can run it constantly because it burns at such a low temp.
Actually, Nitrous oxide is an oxidizer, it is not a fuel source so much as something that makes things work more efficiently in the combustion process.
Normally, someone who runs forced induction of some type will be dumping extra fuel into the engine, to make use of that extra air being forced down the intake.
With nitrous oxide, you introduce the oxidizer (N2O) along with added fuel instead.
Nitrous in and of itself is not flamable, but if you mix in the needed fuel, it will go up, and it will burn eficciently. it also supplies the needed oxygen, which is what turbos and superchargers do as well.
Upon ignition, the heat from the small explosion in the cylinder forces the Nitrous Oxide to seperate into it's base molecules, Oxygen and nitrogen. The resulting burn is very efficient.
This is why most people don't understand running N2O is safe, as it will only work when fuel is enriched, and the nirous mixes with the fuel charge and is ignited.
BTW, Worked with N2O, Nitrogen, CO2 and Helium gas before, but don't know the going rate on hydrogen (never had a need for it). Would welding shops carry it? After all, not many Hydrogen fueling stations are around as of yet.
Back on the octane bandwagon. About NOS. Isn't NOS more volitile than gasoline? PLEASE correct me if I am wrong. Many users are running NOS on Celica GTS with no problem. This runs MUCH cooler than NOS, has the same effect, but is a much smaller constant "shot." You can run it constantly because it burns at such a low temp.
Actually, Nitrous oxide is an oxidizer, it is not a fuel source so much as something that makes things work more efficiently in the combustion process.
Normally, someone who runs forced induction of some type will be dumping extra fuel into the engine, to make use of that extra air being forced down the intake.
With nitrous oxide, you introduce the oxidizer (N2O) along with added fuel instead.
Nitrous in and of itself is not flamable, but if you mix in the needed fuel, it will go up, and it will burn eficciently. it also supplies the needed oxygen, which is what turbos and superchargers do as well.
Upon ignition, the heat from the small explosion in the cylinder forces the Nitrous Oxide to seperate into it's base molecules, Oxygen and nitrogen. The resulting burn is very efficient.
This is why most people don't understand running N2O is safe, as it will only work when fuel is enriched, and the nirous mixes with the fuel charge and is ignited.
BTW, Worked with N2O, Nitrogen, CO2 and Helium gas before, but don't know the going rate on hydrogen (never had a need for it). Would welding shops carry it? After all, not many Hydrogen fueling stations are around as of yet.
We don't sell Hydrogen in it's gas form. Our chemical solution creates it! That is why it can last for a month or two at a time! If we sold just plain Hydrogen in a canister under pressure it would be extrememly explosive! NOT GOOD!
I know NOS is an oxidizer. Correct me if I am wrong, but it just increases the ammount of Oxygen in a burn? And yes, people do use secondary fuel injection if they are using a HUGE shot of NOS. You wouldn't want to run to lean and eat a hole right through your piston! Our Hydrogen system really works VERY similar to Nitrous Oxide. NOS increases the speed, temperature, and efficiency of the burn to produce much more HP.
The Hydrogen 1000 unit is a much smaller shot then NOS. Because it is actually connected to a hose that mounts right on your intake the suction from the engine actually pulls the Hydrogen into the combustion chamber. You get more Hydrogen the more you push the pedal down. If you are just driving normal you get very little. There is no need for secondary fuel injection or larger injectors with this system. Furthermore, everyone knows how HOT NOS burns! After all, more oxygen in the mix always makes fire burn hotter. The Hydrogen system burns COOL (in temp )
Here is something I found off of a Website explaining NOS.
"Enough of the history and development. Let get down to the nitty gritty. Nitrous oxide is a non-flamable gas. It's molecular structure consists of two parts nitrogen and one part oxygen. Nitrogen is an inert gas that makes up a large percentage of the air we breath. Oxygen is a very unstable and very flammable gas. The two nitrogen molecules bond with the oxygen and makes a very stable gas. In order qualify that statement, let me add that it is stable at room temperature and normal atmospheric pressure. While in a combustion chamber, pressure may be up to 200psi or more with temperatures in the area of 500 to 800 degress Celsius. At this pressure and temperature, the molecular structure of nitrous oxide breaks down. This introduces raw oxygen into the combustion chamber.
Because our sytem burns cool there is no need for more fuel in the chamber!
OK, I will have TWO different emissions tests posted TODAY! I haven't figured out my scanner, but I am going to use a friends! They dhould both be up by 4:00 Mountain Time. Thanks for your support and patience!
1st Emissions test shows a reading of 279 Hydrocarbons with a tolerance of 220. Second test, while using the system, shows 32 hydrocarbons!!!!! Both have the same tolerance and were tested on the same vehicle 4 days apart. The Mitsubishi Eclipse that we have outfitted with the Hydrogen 1000 has a switch on the unit that turns it off and on so one can see the gains and emission difference immediately. We are working on getting a dyno time scheduled.
Let me know what you think. I have some more emissions tests that I will post tonight!
^^^^^ This test is a totally different kind than the first one. You will notice that emissions read zer0? Well, this is because the hydrogen system burnt up most of the hydrocarbons and then the factory Catalytic Converter burnt up the rest. That is, at least to the point that the machine couldn't detect any. Pretty neat eh?
1. How safe would this liquid hydrogen be to actually have in the car? If the bottle is punctured, what happens? Is it under pressure? Is it at a super cool temp like n2o? 2. What affect will this have on a nitrous setup? 3. What happens when you run out of hydrogen? Will the car run as usual or is it a must have like gasoline?
1. How safe would this liquid hydrogen be to actually have in the car? If the bottle is punctured, what happens? Is it under pressure? Is it at a super cool temp like n2o? 2. What affect will this have on a nitrous setup? 3. What happens when you run out of hydrogen? Will the car run as usual or is it a must have like gasoline?
1. Very safe!!! Not even flamable. Good luck puncturing a hole though! The unit is VERY strong. It is NOT under pressure so it CANNOT EXPLODE AT ALL! 2. We are not quite sure yet. We are assuming that one can run it right along side of the NOS system because it functions to cool the burn. However, until I have tested it...Many...many times I would not recomend trying it. There is one alternative though. You can set up the system kinda like how we have it set up on our eclipse with an on/off switch. You could turn the system off with the flick of a button that you can put anywhere you want and then run your NOS. We believe that if you were to use the system it would be like running secondary injectors. So, it would actually make the burn much easier on your engine. As I said before though...LET ME TEST IT ON MY CAR!!! 3. If you run out of the solution nothing adverse happens...except that you lose the torque you had before, the fuel economy, and you start pouring out high emissions. Your car does NOT become "Adicted" to the unit. We plan to have multiple outlets in every state within a few years that carry the solution and can install the units.
1. How safe would this liquid hydrogen be to actually have in the car? If the bottle is punctured, what happens? Is it under pressure? Is it at a super cool temp like n2o? 2. What affect will this have on a nitrous setup? 3. What happens when you run out of hydrogen? Will the car run as usual or is it a must have like gasoline?
1. Very safe!!! Not even flamable. Good luck puncturing a hole though! The unit is VERY strong. It is NOT under pressure so it CANNOT EXPLODE AT ALL! 2. We are not quite sure yet. We are assuming that one can run it right along side of the NOS system because it functions to cool the burn. However, until I have tested it...Many...many times I would not recomend trying it. There is one alternative though. You can set up the system kinda like how we have it set up on our eclipse with an on/off switch. You could turn the system off with the flick of a button that you can put anywhere you want and then run your NOS. We believe that if you were to use the system it would be like running secondary injectors. So, it would actually make the burn much easier on your engine. As I said before though...LET ME TEST IT ON MY CAR!!! 3. If you run out of the solution nothing adverse happens...except that you lose the torque you had before, the fuel economy, and you start pouring out high emissions. Your car does NOT become "Adicted" to the unit. We plan to have multiple outlets in every state within a few years that carry the solution and can install the units.
So then you do plan to test it using a nitrous system?
hey thats a 20 minute phone call "if i have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants" derek: do you know that non dairy cream is flamable Jennie: ...derek..what did you do
hey thats a 20 minute phone call "if i have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants" derek: do you know that non dairy cream is flamable Jennie: ...derek..what did you do
but hydrogen is flamable and no matter what it will have to be under pressure or eles you'll only have one atmosphere in there which is like having an open empty bottle of coke theres air in there but with out squezing the bottle nothing will come out and even if you did squeeze it a very small amount would come out (the amount of the chamber)
hey thats a 20 minute phone call "if i have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants" derek: do you know that non dairy cream is flamable Jennie: ...derek..what did you do
ummm says the reaction can reach 3000 C...if i remember right...this will melt our cars! plus its highly flammable. It will probably detonate before the ignition. Our cars are made to burn with O2 not H. I think the NO2 is a much better choice. Just dont put too much into it
Actually, Hydrogen gas is no more flamable than gasoline.
Yes, the hindenburg was filled with hydrogen, but if it wasn't for the Silver doping compound used on the skin of the hydrogen cell (which was an aluminum-impregnated resin) it would have never caught fire and burned up like it did.
It was actually a static discharge on the skin of the cell, which ignited the fabric, and then the hydrogen gas was able to leak and the whole thing went up.
Nowadays, they are experimenting with a SOLID hydrogen storage system for hydrogen powered fuel cels and engines. the hydrogen is in a powdered, solid state, and will not ignite in such a state either. In reality, Hydrogen is probably safer than gasoline when you factor in the environmental effects as well.
Nitrous is safe, as has been said, it's not flamable, It would be as safe as any pressurized tank of gas in the car (including CO2 or that fire extinguisher you may have in the cockpit )
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sounds interesting!
Thats terrible.
