Celica Forums General Discussion General FWD vs RWD

I did not at any time align myself with fallacious statements made by other parties. You cannot keep straight who said what. My statements were qualified and correct within themselves. But you being confused, write this insulting statement directed at me:

"^^ Well keep staring at that picture, it's the only form of support your going to get. "

Thus my calling your statement pointless. And when you persist in your ignorance, I say you lack sophistication. Yes, colloquially the equivalent would be "stupid." For your own good, realize where you are lacking, or you won't excel in life.

Way to bust out the dictionary for that post. Im done with this argument, why do people feel they need to put 20 minutes into a damn post on a celica web site so they sound super smart on the internet. What I am "lacking" is the patience and time for this. If I wanted to sound sophisticated, I would do it for something that mattered, not some 26 year old who wants to think his gts is a racecar.

dictionary? you mean writing normally? what big words did I use?

Not about sounding "super smart":

Don't go around insulting the wrong people if you don't want to get stuffed. Bottom Line.

Yeah sorry but if your using "colloquially" in daily conversation then your kind of . I'll keep that in mind next time, last thing I would want is to make someone feel proud that they "stuffed" someone ten years younger than them.

Age doesn't matter. If you're going to talk with adults or insult adults, you better believe they will use the langauge they are accustomed to using with other adults. I did not know your age until you informed me. Age doesn't matter. You can be ignorant at any age.

Guys, get on topic.

^^ To be back on topic, RWD is better than FWD, in anything. While it is also true that there are some FWDs that can hang with the RWD cars. RWD will always dominate FWD in racing. End of story.

I'm ready as soon as there are competent people to discuss the topic.

what? it's over???

Outside of racing, however, there are plenty of good reasons for FWD. For everyday driving, I'll take FWD every time.

RWD was widespread only because RWD was cheaper/easier to engineer, and Detriot has always been very lazy about innovation. As the sophistication of vehicles has increased, FWD has become more widespread, mostly due to influence of imports. Detriot has reluctantly followed along, as they still tend to do.

Unless you're racing, you don't need 300+ HP, and FWD just plain makes more sense. FWD has nothing to do with "dumb mothers that can't drive in the snow." I've driven plenty of RWD on ice and snow, as has my wife, and can easily handle either. On balance though, I prefere to drive FWD.

FWD has become more widespread becaue its cheaper to produce, not becaue its engineered better. RWD is still more technologically advanced. US market followed into the import driven FWD market because of its "reknowned" traction and safety due to the main fact that it was a business move.

BTW, how often does it snow in Tempe??

It might be cheaper to produce NOW, but it was quite a jump for the carmakers to adapt to when it was first introduced. I grew up in Colorado, remember, and have lived and driven there quite a few more years than you have, with both FWD and RWD. As I said, unless I'm racing, I'll take FWD every time.

There was a great article in one of the major car magazines last year. Basically, it said that FWD's advantages on poor road conditions are becoming fewer and fewer. With all of the new traction control features being developed and implimented on cars, soon RWD cars will be just as easy to control in rain or snow.

How intrusive are those traction control features going to be though? i.e. Are they a tool to assist the driver or will they end up taking too much control away from the driver?


Actually, we've had snow falling in Phoenix twice in the past five years And let me tell you, when it finally does rain here there's usually about three months worth of oil and dirt built up on the road, and it can get awfully slick.

I hope the new traction control features will be simliar to what the IS300 has. Traction control is automatically on, but you can turn it totally off with a button on the dash. Also, there is a snow mode button that makes the traction control more more intrusive, but is a blessing in poor weather.

Id have to agre Exnihilo, everyday driving for me would have to be the FWD. If you wanna drive fast, you can still with a FWD on normal roads. Its notlike ud want to be ripping down the street at 240 kms. Anyway you shouldnt be speeding excessively in the first place. Basically FWD is prtty much equal to a RWD in normal driving, if ur driving sensibly

Wasn't FWD designed for economic purposes instead of performance purposes?

^yes...what's new?

so does that mean the 240sx is faster than gts in turns?

That's using a specific example. GTS is the one of the few FWD with tremendous handling capabilities.

All wheel drive> the both of those

Each type of drivetrain has its advantages and disadvantages. I rather have a RWD drivetrain over FWD and AWD.

I am just stating my opinion, you really don't have to get all defensive.

AWD is not better than RWD. It's only advantage is on the launch, but from there, the weight and drivetrain loss hands the win to RWD. AWD understeers, whereas RWD oversteers.

I live in Illinois buddy, and travel to Minnesota and Virginia alot.. imho awd is just plain better and safer...

The worst handling FWD car I've owned still handled better than the best handling RWD car I've had. But hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

I've got a question to spark more discussion:

Would you rank the results of a national motorsport series and championship that consumes an entire continent as a validation of the superiority of either FWD or RWD?

Yes or No? Simple question. There is a point.

Yes.

yes but only if its NASCAR. HAHA your point now sux

You don't know my point. Sorry if you feel like NASCAR is the only legitimate race series and championship (yes technically Busch, NEXTEL Cup, Winston Cup etc, but you said NASCAR).

Keep guessing, mindreader.

NASCAR- REdnecks racing around a circle. Sooooo lame.

Le Mans, World Rally...etc, those are underappreciated.

im go out on a limb and say dakar rally?

ah. interesting. and I think I know what you are thinking, and I agree, but that's not my point. you make a great point.

aren't mind games great?

BTW, I'll give my answer as soon as enough people answer YES or NO.

I will make my question more specific to perhaps make it easier to answer. My point remains the same.

If one drive system dominates a national motorsport series and championship that consumes an entire continent, would you rank those results as a validation of the superiority of either FWD or RWD or AWD in at least that type of racing?

Yes or No?

No insults or guesses. Just answer. Then I will answer. Then we shall "discuss".

there is this one 1/4 calculater i seen on a site and if i put in awd it was faster than rwd and fwd-then rwd was faster than fwd---does that help

That doesn't help you. I think you'll learn a lot if you read badceli's "400 hp V8 vs 400 hp 4 cylinder" thread in the Power and Performance Tuning forum.

Simple question.

hmmmm...I wonder why some people are so hesitant to answer something they would otherwise swear by: "x drive system is better than y because it kicks y.butt in national competition."

Show some guts people.

well ill say no. and explain my answer later.

Well, you've asked a rigged question. In general, I'd say RWD dominates. However, if you wanna talk Rally, it goes AWD. So, my answer is that RWD does dominate. YES

Well, you've asked a rigged question. In general, I'd say RWD dominates. However, if you wanna talk Rally, it goes AWD. So, my answer is that RWD does dominate. YES

BTW, reason why people haven't answered is because they don't know.

There are some who would waffle and would amend their statements to suit the situation.

I ask not to deceive or rig:
I ask my question to force people to commit.

You admit that AWD dominates in rally.

I agree.

But that is still not my point.

The purpose of this thread was to discuss the benefits/advantage of either FWD or RWD. This can apply to non-racing activites or racing activities, and that is what we shall continue to discuss IF you answer the question.

The question WHICH YOU AMENDED was not whether RWD dominates in general in racing.


Go back a page if you don't remember what my question is.

Only one person has answered the question thus far.

It is not a fill in the blank where you know or not. Not knowing is no excuse. It is yes or no.
One has to make a choice if we are to have a basis for discussion, without allowing some individuals to get away with being logically inconsistent.
Judging from all of the prior posts, I'd say there are enough people with opinions on this site lol. Let's hear them on this question.

You want one word?

YES

Come on Mike...How many people need to answer before we get to hear what you gou got? I want to hear it.
Just tell us, then we can argue with you. We can help you get ready for that job as a lawyer that you want.

One guy is not worth it. It's no fun if it's not a big battle. I want all of the RWD fans to respond.

^^You've come to the wrong place amigo...

I don't think too many people are still interested in this old thread. How about if jyboygenius and I just argue with you a whole bunch?

Not that one should argue for the sake of it.
There are just too many ignorant people who think they are right.
My cause is to know what is right and enlighten the ignorant who just spread ignorance to others like a disease.

I don't think it will take much stir people up. I'll just start another thread.

Where I live, people with RWD drive sports cars like rustangs have to have two cars, one for winter & one for summer. I'd like to see you do this with a rustang in a blizzard: