Celica Forums General Discussion Engine and Performance Fully built race engines for $4995

c2gas, you are the man. Everytime you tell a story like that, I get all excited. No, not in a sexual way. You know what I mean. I can't wait to finish this project and try this sucker out.
187 mph! That is so awesome. If I can reach my 400whp goal, do you think I will be able to hit that 187 mph? I can't tell you how exciting that would be for me to fly by a corvette at 187 mph. Can you imagine the look on their face? They would be like, WTF!!! Was that a damn Celica?!!!!

Yes I m sure you can ( I mean tacho cheked speed). BUT please consider you have to have real good suspension and spoilers to keep it on the ground!!!

That is oustanding. I have TRD coilovers and I am shopping for sway bars right now.
This is how my exterior will look when it comes out of the shop in a couple months. Except it will have an unpainted BRS Carbon Fiber hood, shaved door handles, Sparco gas lid and a TRD wing.
You think this will handle 187 mph?

Sorry Death, I didn't mean to ignore you for a minute. I get carried away when I'm talking to the master c2gas.
Anyway, the exact number is 384.4 whp and does the 1/4 mile in 11 seconds.
Yes, I will be getting a tranny from c2power.

About MWR having the record hp, that brings me to my next question for you c2gas. How can you let MWR top you like that? When will you push for 400 whp? Or do you plan to go higher than that?

Ahh man!! That is soo lovely. I am big fan of the apr wide body.
Yes it should, but I think you will not go and test it on top speed right away.HUH? So I mean you will see if it handles good. if not then you will adjust the susp and go again. well thats how I did it (the safe way). And the when its all good =====> Floooooor it, and push out his eyes.

One more question. If it will do 187 mph, it can't be that much harder to get another 13 mph out of it and hit 200 mph.
Now that is a number I would feel pretty good to brag about. Not that anybody would believe me without proof. Even if you showed them some kind of proof, they would still call bullshit. Not that I care if some dumbass believes me or not.
Anyway, how much harder would it be to get that extra 13 mph?

You know as the speed is higher and higher the power is lineary has to be more and more. I have to look at the tranny ratio if its phisically possible or not. Also important how and what rpm your peak power will be.
I will loook at it. Cant answer now.

Thanks c2gas. That means a lot to me that you like it.
Of course I will test it little at a time. By the time this project is done, I will have over 100k into it. I'm not going to risk messing all that up.
I won't even risk driving it in traffic very much. I will take it from show to show in an enclosed trailer, but I will definitely take it out for some fun all the time. Here are my goals with this car...
1. Win Best Of Show and beat Bob Mull just once.

2. Run an 11 second 1/4 mile.

3. Win, or at least do well in one circuit race.

4. Keep it streetable.

5. Win a sound off competition.

6. Hit 200 mph (new goal)

Thank you very much for checking on that for me. If I can pull all of this off, I will give you a lot of props to everybody that asks.

if you're going to use it N/A why on earth would you leave it at 11.5 compression? minimum I would say you should go would be 12.5:1 13:1 would be better but would be hard to run daily. at 12.5 you could still easily use 91 octane.

if you're going to use it N/A why on earth would you leave it at 11.5 compression? minimum I would say you should go would be 12.5:1 13:1 would be better but would be hard to run daily. at 12.5 you could still easily use 91 octane.

if you're going to use it N/A why on earth would you leave it at 11.5 compression? minimum I would say you should go would be 12.5:1 13:1 would be better but would be hard to run daily. at 12.5 you could still easily use 91 octane.

whoa man triple post, setting a new record for that man?

Brashboy sells 13.7:1 pistons. But turbocharging will be cheaper to reach big hp numbers. I think the APR widebody will weight it down more than anything. c2gas is just trying to tell you that the stock suspension isn't going to cut it if those are your goals. Something like a tein coilover setup with the EDFC.

^^^^^ the edfc cannot be used on our cars because the motors do not fit under our cars with the coilovers..I've already looked..and tien says they cannot be used on our celicas on their application charts

^^ Did you talk to tein directly or call them? I believe seeing that EDFC can be used on the application chart, both on the website and in the printed catalog. I believe it's in a seperate table with the SS having pillowball upper mounts.
http://www.tein.com/sspdamp.html

part number EDKU3-12140

Also, I think a few guys on the other Celica site mentioned they had EDFC.

Too late, it's been done.
























haha kidding, that's kmh.

^^ done by badceli? those are his goals.

Thanks Death. So are you saying the TRD coilovers are not good? As for the weight of the APR kit, I don't mind. I love that kit and the place I have the most fun is at car shows. Just trying to make mine the fastest show car that is possible for a Celica.

Good one Rob. You had me going for a minute, but if somebody else does any of my goals before I do, that's okay. I don't care if I'm the first. Just trying to build a nice car. That's all.

Thanks QTRMLR_1. I guess I could have just said what you did and made this post a lot shorter. By the way, I have another question for you.

Will our axles handle 400whp? If not, how do I solve that problem?

they should handle it...email matt @ monkey wrench racing about that one

Thanks Steve.
Have you ever asked Matt why he doesn't come on here like c2gas does?

he's busy I guess...gas runs an advertising company from what I can tell...and all matt does is work at the monkey wrench race shop...they are both tremendous people to put such effort into our cars, but I think that maybe gas has more cpu time than matt

Cool.
What do you think about a Celica hitting 200 mph? Think it's possible with the engine from MWR, a c2power tranny and a turbo?
c2gas said he would check on that for me. Can't wait to see what he comes up with.

Oh sh..t I forgot to check the ratios. I will...

Well I am usually spend my mornings and nights at my PC at home, and check it sometimes daily in the office.
I have a nice well selected team in c2design, and a few ppl in c2power. C2power has more problems to take care as it is a start up, so I have to go after and check things on my own, as contact ppl and search forums.
I am thinking in long terms, and willing to keep service and production quality as we grow.
ok no more OT I check those ratios...

Thanks c2gas. You are the greatest. I think I'm going to change the banner on my windshield to c2power just because you have been such a big help.

Not saying TRD ones are bad, but if 200mph is really your goal.. if you tried it with stock you would probably end up with one screwed up celica and six feet under.

Oh, okay. Yeah I can't leave anything stock on my car. Sometimes I'll take stock parts off and replace it with an aftermarket part even if I didn't need it. Drives my wife nuts.

LOL thx man!

You're welcome, but I wasn't kidding. Send me a windshield banner and I will advertise your shop this next car show season.
Right now I have a Toyota Racing Development banner, but TRD sure as hell hasn't done anything nice for me, so I'll take it off and put yours up.

your problem is gearing

with the celicas final drive and 6th gear ratio its not going to be possible to do 200mph

you would need a completely new tranny and also new aero dynamics to reach 200mph safely,

this task is not something easy nor is it cheap. we are talking like 20+grand.

and when your talking about that much moolah your better off buying a 93 + tt supra and uprading the turbo and removing the speed governor and you'll get your 200mph.

With our tranny in a GT at 6000rm you would reach 250km/h (156mph) so you would have to run up almost to 8000rpm to reach 200mph. Well it is possible but not that simple.

^^^^ sounds like a project that would have to be run at bonneville or something...or he could go with a bigger turbo like I suggested to you , GAS...it would be overkill for daily driving, but not for his goal...also, If I ever get the money, rest assured I'm coming your way for some wild things...I commend you again for your awesome attention to detail in your services, and devotion to our community.

ERIC...the other thing you could do is to get a different tranny altogether that has wilder gearing and have a sandwich adapter plate fabricated to mate it to the 1zz block... ...kind of like the rear wheel drive kit cars...a chevy 350 v8 with a porsche g50/50 tranny is possible only through a sandwich plate...they have also come up with a plate for the chevy 350 to be mated to the getrag 6 speed that is used in the supra...its absolutely crazy, but it would be an option if you are looking at this goal...you'd just have to find a tranny that would fit and work...and get some serious aerodynamics into your body

Thanks Illusive. 20 grand? No problem. What can I get for 30 grand? I'm kidding of course.
I already spent the 6k on the turbo which will be done next month. Next year I will get the race engine from MWR for 5k. Then the tranny from c2gas for 4k.
15k is a lot to make a Celica fast, but that's what I want. One badass Celica. Sound good?

^^^^^^ crazy ass...you know I'm gonna have to come to texas for that right...I just got off the phone with MWR, and I have plans now too...ehehehehehehehehehe

c2gas,
Thank you very much. When you say it won't be that simple, do mean that I am forgetting something other than what I have planned already? What else will I need?

Hell yes Steve! Me and you buddy. 200 mph on the open freeway through Texas. I'll race you from Dallas to SA.

Illusive,
I forgot to metion about the aero dynamics. I'm hoping the APR kit is as good as they say it is. What do you think, will it handle 200 mph?

Steve,
Wouldn't you say the c2power tranny will do the job?

Also, tell me MWR said. What do you have planned?

Well the problem is the GT bore-stroke ratio is not really cool for 8000rpm (or near) peak power. But as AZZKIR said a bigger turbo would help a lot. Sure you would loose power at the bottom rpm range as it would spool up later, but top end will be strong to go.
Prolly a big bore kit would help to rev strong.

Thanks c2gas. I would want the big bore kit when I get the engine from MWR and the Precision turbo I have is good for 480 hp.
I also have nitrous in my car. That should help it spool up pretty quick right?
What do you think about a big bore kit making the walls too thin? Many people say it's not a good idea for our engines.

Well the big bore kit would just make the walls as thin as the stock GTS walls. I dont see any probles as it has the sleves as well in the kit.
Nitrous can help to elliminate the lag on a 1/4m run, but would never be good to allways be there on the streets. Nitro needs a lot of care (fill up, warm up, reheat etc...)

Thank you very much. That is what I wanted to hear. The best part about that coming from you is, nobody will ever come on here after you and say bullshit.
I was very upset when people told me the big bore kit was not a good idea because I was really looking forward to changing my 1.8 to a 2.0. So that is damn good news.
Now I need to find out just how much boost and what size shot of nitrous this engine can handle.

Since you already have a built engine and you have seen that it can handle more PSI than what you have now, will you turn it up a little now? If so, you should be able to hit the 200 mph mark we have been talking about, right?

After seeing that Scion TC hit 530whp with a 1zz, I wonder if we can do the same? What do you think?

Also, do you think our axles will handle 530whp?

I dont know that scion, but if it is the same 1zzfe engine why our would not be able...
The axle and drive chain question is related to more things. I broke my tranny appart in 3rd gear with street tyres, but it would happen earlier with LSD and slick (or drag radial). The axle is the same. If you have a lot of power and also have good tracktion, it will dramatically increase the force on the tranny and the axles.
To be sure what it can handle you have to put on the force and see if it brakes or not. there is no other way. I did the same, just do it step by step so you ill know where the limit is.
It is sad but the celica market is not that important (even less important those few guys who wants high HP goals) that BIG performance companies would come out with well tested or any products. So all what we have here (c2 as well) are mainly costum solutions after a notice of a weakness of a part.
Anyway I dont think stock axles and drag radials can hold that much power.

I haven't checked into that Scion yet. Just a quick look, but the engine sits backwards and I'm not sure if the same as ours.
You say you broke your tranny, you mean the aftermarket tranny you sell for 4k? or the stock tranny?
As for testing the engine until it blows up just to see how much it can handle, I'm afraid I can't afford to do that. I'm going to have to wait for pros like you to test it for me. That's why I keep trying to get you to out do MWR. I want to see just how tough our engine is.
So what can I do about my axles? Will they even handle 400whp?

I broke the stock tranny.
the 400whp I dont see that difficult. 530whp is just too far (in my wiev)from current setups (hard to estimate).
I mean the engine is not needed to be tested, I mean the axle, as I never heard anybody with broken one. So tere will som eday be one, but nobody knows so far what power at.

BTW I would test my GT but its winter here! I could go up to 400 whp and try, but need some dry conditions.
Actually I am bit chiken after I had 21Psi tested for 10 minutes. I have to be prepared. lol

eric...think about it like this...the 1zz MWR spider has 385 hp to the wheels...that means that they definitely have over 400 to the crank, and a whole lot on the tranny and axles...what else you could do is get a high HP axle fabricated to your car...the guys at titan motor sports in orlando could do it...maybe you should email them about their custom racing fabrications

Thanks c2gas, I think I'll be happy with 400whp. It would probably just start getting REALLY expensive if I try to go higher than that. I don't care if there are other Celicas that have more power than I do. With 400hp, I don't think too many people will be able to call me slow.
That really drives me nuts when people say "Nice car, too bad they are so slow".
I would really like to able to say "Oh really? An 11 second 1/4 mile and a top speed of 200 mph is slow?"

Thanks Steve. If I ever decide to go over 400, I'll keep that in mind. Stock axles should okay with the 400 though.