Celica Forums General Discussion Engine and Performance When did this trend start?

the reason i got the ebay intake was bc of this site..i saw that at least 3/4 of the members here get cels or other problems from thier intakes...like AEM, INJEN, TPR, and even ebay...i heard that a couple of ways were take it to a mechanic or do the bluebomber mod... i dont have time to do the mechanic bc i work mid shift which is 11-7am..when i get off work im sleep till ike 4 in the afternoon...my only option is bluebomber mod...now you know the prices of all these intakes, now tell me which one would you buy after hearing all this? thats why i went with ebay...i dont want to buy a 200 dollar intake and end up cuttin it up for that mod..thats stupid..i'd rather do it with the ebay one...and luckily i havent had any problems...thats why i say the ebay intake is working for me...i dont put trash parts on my car..i do reaseach like anyother tuner..and if you say that the ebay intake is trash thats your opinion...we can argue that all day...thats like saying,"yeah we should have never gotten rid of slavery"..of course its not that serious but i hope you get what im saying..

This is the leaf blower mod. Its crap.

yea thats the ebay version. there is a vid of a guy who actualyl has a full leaf blower on his intake

^^^i guess thats kinda like the electric supercharged intake i saw in the back of super street magazine!!! theres a bunch or stuff back there...does the tornado actually work at all??

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nope. neither works. you may ber .1hp foer the elsectric one well actually noone realy know. there isnt a persoin here who has boughgt the electric one and tested it. it has been on liek a thousand forums. the verdic is that the fans cannot produce enough pressure to affect anything much

From all I've heard, the tornados really don't do much. Maybe you'd feel it, maybe you wouldn't. Its more of a gamble than a proven thing. I wouldn't mess with it. I'd rather something else to make the car look nice or my favorite... beer.

A turbo is forced air, there is no "cold air intake" the turbo and turbo kit IS the means of getting air into your engine. If you plan on buying one, which it sounds like you are, I'd suggest learning more about it.

It does nothing. It's an idea that is not mechanically sound. It is designed to trap people that have no idea how a car engine or F/A works.

because people don't care, they are greedy
they don't want to take the time to do something right and have others appreciate it, they would rather get it said and done, then just know the fact that they "have" it.
i hate fake shit.

thats what im doing right now! i know it doesnt come with a CAI, i meant intake in general...i do plan on buying one next year, thats why i want to try to prepare it as much as possible..dont you have to get a special type of intake for a turbo? would it be benefical to get a turbo exhaust or would it just be wasting money on buying it now w/o the turbo?? since my intake didnt cost much i wont feel like i've wasted my money on it...

well when you install your turbo you're going to install an exhaust manifold, so even if you bought a "turbo exhaust system" as in the whole system you wouldn't be able to install it yet.

matt when are you going to post pics of your car?

I have to go with most on this one, i too hate fake shit, but in my case, the only option i had for my intake was ebay. Sure, all i have right now is the cone air filter, but to get any further than that, i had to get the maf sensor adaptor, and the only place i could find that was ebay with the crapy filter. I plan on getting a k&n to replace that, but i'm not working now and it's hard to find an extra $50 for a air filter when i need that same money for insurance and gas. I'm not saying that the ebay shit's good, but for some of the older celicas, that's the only option or the only available first step to get to better parts. But when it comes to rip off brands when real are redally avaible, i think that your a dumbass for buying shit. The way i look at rip off parts is this-
$200 for original
vs
$50 for fake
+$25 for random parts to make it fit
+$50 to replace when fake shits on you
+$25 for the same random parts just for the fake to shit on you again
+$75 doing it over once again
+$200 for the original because your sick of the fake shitting out on you

Sure, a lot of things actually work when thier fake, but when it actually does something other than look cool, your asking for trouble.

Now, i have to say that my underbody lights are ebay fakes(actually liteglows with the name removed), but i can't see the point in spending a extra $100 for name being on the lights that are illegal to begin with. That is one thing I only bought because of the price, and if it wasn't for that, i wouldn't have even gotten it to begin with.
But incase anyone cares, when i get a 7th gen in a year or so, i'm not getting an ebay intake for that.

^^^^theres a lot of shit in your post!!!( i mean literly..you said shit alot..lol) i havent had to pay extra for any parts my ebay intake..it hasnt gone to crap on me yet, i've had it for about 2 months now..but if it does go to crap, i can still put my factory intake back on it and i wont feel like i've blown 200+ dollars...guys its just an intake! if i start buying mufflers from wal-mart or pep boys and stuff like that then, by all means, tear me a new one...my intake was of good quality, the cone sucks but i can get that replaced..everybody knocks on ebay products like its bad or something! why would you get mad at me bc you spent over 500 bucks for your stuff and i spent 300 for the same quality as you..just bc i dont have a sticker that says AEM? we put a lot of emphasis on names...just because we dont have the most popular brand part on our cars most people say it sucks..has anybody heard or RS*R? cusco? invidia? ARC? if you do then you know what im talking about. what i dont get is when people degrade products on here say..have you tested the ebay intake? a lot of you say it was made in someones garage..well if you took off the sticker of a brand name intake and put it next to mine you couldnt tell the difference by looking at it...its the same as buying from makoautotrends.com or anyother website like that..

^^^ The sticker that says "AEM" means that AEM took the time and effort to spend money RESEARCHING different diameters, legnths, bends, and turns to see what worked better and where it made the most gains. Obviously you don't understand that spending the extra money for something that is PROVEN to work is better than buying something that might not work or doing some stupid ass "blue ricer" mod.

were you at the factory when they made the intake?? well my dumbass intake that i have actually works...when it comes to other parts like the exhaust and engine enternals like fuel rail and spark plugs etc. i always take the time and see whats compatible, pefromance, failure rate and quality of the part. i dont put much means in a intake bc i plan on doing a turbo set up next year and the kit comes with an inake already..if i was gonna go n/a, yeah i would have an AEM part like you, but it doesnt make since for me to buy that expensive brand when i'll have to sell it for less than what i paid for it or not use it at all...my intake might not have came with a dyno of it, but its been performing like a top notch brand..and if i have a cel in the near future, the stocks goin back on..i lost, what, 30 bucks? we spend more on that going to the movies...

No, i'm not reffering to the fake brand intakes, the only thing that can really go bad there is the filter, i'm just refering to fake brand parts in general. At this point the rip off companies have had time to take the original and dupplicate it so where, like you said, side by side you can't tell the difference. if it's a new product, don't trust the ripoffs, thats when they screw up and end up costing more. The whole thing that i'm against with the rip off companies is that they don't know shit about why it works this way, they just know that's how the big companies do it, so they do it the same. The main thing that i don't like about rip off companies is that they take another companies design, make the same thing(identical in most cases) and sell it for hundreds of $ cheaper. When companies do this, they take the buisness from the big companies, bring them less money for thier products, and in turn delaying or even preventing the release of a better product that would help more in the long run. the big companies arn't making all the money that they should make from thier products, so they most times don't see a market for that type of product anymore, and never make new things. It could also cause the opposit to happen though, and they could see it as compition and want to make more, better products than the rip off companies, but most times things don't go that way.

i understand what your saying...i do believe there are ripoff companies and then again there are actually those who want you to save money...the big companies make it hard for a little company to be put on the map..what if a guy makes a better intake than AEM and doesnt want to sell it AEM? he just wants to patient it and sell it himself for cheaper so he can help the other less forunate tuners who cant afford that 200 bucks intake? i know these companies are hard to find but i do believe the exist!!

Yea they exist, and in many different areas they do flourish, sometimes more than others.
Ex. In the world of profesional video editing, the industry standard is program is "finalcut pro". "finalcut pro" only works on mac and only with thier hardware. A few people from that company tried to get the company to expand, make the program for windows and make it work with hardware that the user chooses, but the company refused. The group than broke apart form the company, started sonic foundry, and wrote the program for windows("vegas video"), made it work with any hardware and sold it for a fraction of the cost. Because of this, they stole a huge chunk of the market form "finalcut pro". This story is also similar with audio programs "pro tools" and "cooledit pro". Both "cooledit pro" and "vegas video" have since been bought out by biger companies (cooledit by pinical, and vegas(made by sonic foundry) by sony)
The point of that is to show that the rip off companies sometimes do want to save you money, and sometimes get big, but always at the expense of the original conpany.
Also, if anyone knows about the lack of money for stuff right now, it's me. theres so much i need to do to my car, but i'm not working, so i'd have to just save my money(which is quickly going away)and buy the real thing.

either way eiher the small company screws the larger company and vice versa...i just like to try the smaller companies out..bc they usually are better than the orginal...

Well that was a lot of reading

lol..its the good kind of reading..the ones you get educated on...we all need that every now and then

what the hell is an ebay intake????

just because you bought an intake off of ebay does NOT make it an ebay intake...it still has a brand--or at least should.

not coming down on anyone...but ebay sells basically every brand of everything..saying "i bought an ebay intake" doesn't help a single person out.

its the non name brand ones on ebay:)

I think if a $35 exhaust that sounds like a motor scooter and loses hp can make somone feel spiffy...then the rest of their life must be a total blow, and i'm sorry for them

I think some of you guys are making EXCELLENT points supporting cheap mods...but also i think maybe you're missing the point and getting your feathers ruffled over it. I think this thread is mostly pointed at the guys who do dumb shit to their cars to try to make it better but fail miserably because they didn't spend time to do it themselves or get a good product. For me..hell...the cheaper the better..but it's gotta work. I think this thread is for the people who are so concerened with appearance and false bragging rights that they don't care about reality. Like guys who drill holes in their muffler to make it louder...or take off their intake box & filter to say they have short ram...guys who chop their stock springs in half to lower it... guys who put an unfinished metal spoiler on their car that is rusting...

I think that's the stuff we're talking about here...not modding an ebay intake to perform better than manufactured ones...if you can do something yourself for cheap that is better than stock...and especially if it is better than any other aftermarket part...i don't care what it is...props to you...YOU should be the one making big bucks with people putting stickers with your name on, on their cars

mine didnt come with any brand so thats why i call it ebay intake...it came in a box with a grip of styrafome...

When I take some this weekend when I go home from college.

what is the blue bomber mod anyway???

I think that people should make there one choices... I have always believed in sticking with name-brand things and doing it right the first time because i found you buy off brand stuff it wears out quicker... but everyone has to find this out... and if they find something that is a $50 intake instead of the $150 i paid for mine and it lasts just as long as mine good job to them... Some people don't have the budget our patience to save up for the real parts... but let them find it out for there own...

celidragon go on newcelicaDOTorg and go in intalls under "prefect CIA" or somehting to that affect. prettymuich you chop up your stock aribox for the tube part with teh MAF. then stick that ony our intake. soposed ot limit obgging and CEL. Ask tido for more info. i havetn done it so no experience.

Some people with turbos do run a CAI. They say it helps a little with heat soak amongst other things. Look around

i really think we need to end this thread. its just an endless debate back and forth. noone is going to compromise or change their minds. i say we all ignore it and start on something more productive. we all love cleicas, we all love modding them. cant we all jsut get along

at least no one is taking it personally

tru

I can understand where the initial post and feelings from there are coming from.
There have been VS. dynos with all intakes. There have been VS. dynos will a new intake. There have been dynos left and right if you know where to look. I can understand that, by the way the E-Bay CAI is suppose to be the same as AEM. That's heresay on my part too. Tornado is crap. The CAI has been modified and scrutinized and glorified by some members of the Celica community.
Who knows the real truth here on this?
No one, I can can presume.
It all comes down to a load of heresay and people cashing in.
A CAI won't cause you to shatter ground speed records or beat a Vette of the line.
The sound and the knowledge of some WHP gain from any of the intakes should be piece of mind to anyone, but some want it all.
The Cel is just a myth for intakes as far as I'm concerned. Everything else is based on greed.

^^^^period.

some may say.."why buy a toyota instead of a porsche? do you really think your 4 banger ricer is fast? why spend money on a car like that anyway? isnt that just a cheap alternative for a fast car." -not everyone has the same amount of cash- i like my celica, its what i can afford, and i love it, i worked for it. i'm 19 and i don't have your "cheap generic homemade" equipment on my car now. on my first celica gts (1990)i did tho, i made a CAI out of PVC and a conical filter..and i liked it..i think it worked i brought it to the same location as the CAI's, facing the same direction, and wrapped it in a heat reflective covering, drilled for the MAF...eat my ass if you don't think thats cool or right,it sounded good and i think it performed better than stock...and i liked doing the process... i didnt do it to please you..and some of my friends have similar things... and they are the same age, and can't afford ferrari's or TRD or AEM.. they bought ebay and they are happy with it, why do you care? they work there asses off and don't have daddy hand it to them, and they appreciate their stuff, and will work hard to get that expensive ride and expensive parts..everyone has to start somewhere man.. go them!

don't get me wrong, i like tasteful cars, parts, things, and women, but who's to say my taste is everyones?

^^ ditto.

if your into performance...all that matters is that it does what it's supposed to do (i.e. add power).

there isn't much debate to talk about though...a properly made cai is only gonna get you about 2-4 whp anyway (without e/h). and it's also not going to be anything you can actually FEEL (if you think you 'feel the extra power' thats just your mind playing tricks on you). you'll just be able to hear the difference (usually a deeper, throatier exhaust sound).

so if he took his pvc-made intake to a dyno and made a 3 whp improvement..that's just as good as any injen or aem intake can do. it's just a dyno game..without that we can argue forever

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^ excellent!

by the by mxsuperfly, I just turned 20 and I saved for 4 years to by my car when I was 17 and save for a long time to afford all of my parts. Just so you understand I'm coming from the same place as you.

My point isn't that someone has the parts. But that someone tries to shit on someone whose saving for decent parts or talks shit about quality parts trying to say it's all the same.

Hell yeah!!! I know what I want for Christmas now!!! I'm definately going for the leaf blower! <---- Sarcasm intended.

i totally wouldnt buy one of those ebay intakes.

^^^ I Totally wouldn't either, but if say someone dynoed and tested the generic E-Bay CAI compared to say the AEM and the performance was close to if not the same. Would that change your tune?