Celica Forums General Discussion General RSX or GTS

hey I'm currently out of the states and I was wondering if anybody had any guide as to me getting a new RSX or a GTS. I've been trying to decide for awhile now but just cant seem to pick between the two. I know it might seem dumb asking this quetion here but maybe somebody could help.

get a GTS or an RSX-S

but i'd pick a celi over the rsx

gts

Join the crowd and get a GTS.

I would pick the GTS over the RSX or RSX-S. I do like the rsx's, but they seem to look 'bulky' in my opinion. I think the Celica's look more sportier and have a nicer profile.

It would depend on what your plans are in the future. If you want a car you can buy mods for cheap then get the RSX-S. But if you want a car that looks great, handles better then get the GTS. I went through the same delimea but I ended up with the GTS for the looks and the Toyota quality. Hope my $.02 helps out.

RSX-S with a Cybernation Turbo kit!!!

gts

RSX's are tight as hell, but almost everyone here is gonna say Celica...but i'd go with a Celica just because they're awesome -- but i would like an RSX Type S too!!!

a stock gts is faster than a stock rsx-s. although the rsx-s has a bhp figure of 200, and the stock gts has a ghp of 180. when dyno'd the stock rsx-s puts out 163 horses (whp) and the celi puts out 161 horses (whp). so although the rsx-s puts out 2 more horses, this is lost in the weight difference and the drag coefficient (which the celica is better in).

modded..they are both able to put out equal numbers. so don't let power figures be your guide..they are both basically equal. in my opinion..you should just go with whichever one pleases your eye better. for me...it was my celi.

edit--you can find the dyno's on power pages magazine..by import tuner.

i like celicas front while i like rsx tail lights more. the shifting on an rsx is easier.
take into consideration the model year. celica will change its model in less than a year, so if you buy it now, ull look a little old to others. im not saying anything bad, but ppl looking from outside maybe wont know that its brand new 04! i personally dont care about that, but maybe you do. rsx has 2 more years to go. consider that there are gonna be more rsx on the streets in the near future, even way more than celica. another thing is that you can find a lot of gt everywhere, but there arent a lot of gts, so ull be an exception getting a gts if you want to. overall, i would select a celica over an rsx. celica is the first and best sports car with the crazy looks.

as for performance, celica should have a better handling, faster launch(IMO) and slower end(IMO).

Here are some important performance specs i did:
GTS RSX-S
180 hp 200hp
2500 lbs 2767 lbs

After calculations this is what you get
I calculated so i can find how many pounds each HP carries on each of the car.
GTS: 13.90 lbs/hp (13.8888 to be exact)
RSX-S: 13.85 lbs/hp (13.835 to be exact)
The difference is 0.05 pounds per hp.
To equal GTS lbs/hp to RSX-S, you need 9.70lbs reduction on ur GTS, which will total out to 2490.30lbs
If you want to equal them out with hp, then you should have your GTS hp to 184.5!
This calculation is only related to hp and weights, other stuffs might make differences like torque and all that. Hopefully the stats help you out (someone has done this b4 in a post, but with a lil different weights)

If sPeEd4tHeNeEd's whp comment true, than DAMMMN!

GTS(good info stefanoc)

Most people do hp/lbs, but whatever. According to your calculations, yes, you would need those specific changes to equal the cars out. But you have to realize that those horsepower numbers are taken at the flywheel and not the wheels, so sPeEd4tHeNeEd calculations are a little more accurate except that GTS's dyno for the most part in the low 150's not low 160's.

But you could boggle your mind over this math all day, but it's still a drivers race stock wise. All engines put out different numbers, many drivers differ in weight obviously, and so many other factors come into play such as aerodynamics, gear ratios, torque, etc.

With RSX's you get more horsepower per dollar and they can be modded to be faster than a GTS, but only after thousands of dollars which I'm sure a lot of people aren't willing to spend. I'm gonna tell you to get a GTS because I have one and a lot of other people on this site are going to do the same because the name of the site is EverythingCelica.

The deciding factor in buying a car should absoultely not be based on speed alone. If you want more speed for your money, go buy a Mustang or something. You should do a lot more research by yourself on reliability, warranties, bang for your buck, the list goes on. Your mind should be open when buying a car, and no one here will bring forth enough decent evidence for you to make up your mind unless your parents are buying this car for you and you have to pay absolutely nothing yourself. Go to Edmunds.com or some other consumer review site, and see what people have to say about the mechanically or whatever. Doing what someone tells you to do on a Celica website would make no sense because no one really cares about your situation to tell you which car would be best for you. Only you can decide this, and my advice to you would be to gather info on both of the cars, test drive them, and then make an educated decision, because I'm sure that you havn't done all of those yet. Then come back here and ask us specific questions about different issues with the Celicas or go to an RSX site and do the same.

I'm not flaming you or anything, I just don't think it's fair to you to have us make up your mind for you. Buy a car you love inside and out, and don't listen or care about what anyone else thinks.

stefanoc..here is the link: power pages: rsx-s [importtuner.com]

in this testing..the base rsx-s only put out 159.9 horses. the one i posted above was from a different issue and it was 163 horses. this is a fairly normal difference as all cars will have some degree of variance and different dynonameters will have readouts that are slightly different.

in any case, a celica gts' average base whp is 161.

a gts weighs 2,500 pounds while an rsx-s weighs 2,800 pounds...so using power-to-weight ratios for the celica gts whp (160..rounded down from 161)and the rsx-s whp (160..rounded up from 159.9) you would get something like this:

gts: 4/62.5
rsx-s:4/70

it is clear that the celica is more power efficient.

Cybernation Turbokit is putting out anywhere from 240-450whp. the K20 is one of the greatest engines I have seen!

ur right. i also like the looks of a celica as i mentioned, and that was just stuff i thought about. i am not forcing the guy to buy it or anything. my 2 cents only and plus some numbers. ur right about a dollar per hp thing also. i wonder if 2500lbs of gts is weighed with full tank of gas in it or is it just weighed empty... anyone has a clue (sorry to go a little off topic)

true that. with $$ almost anything is possible. but personally i would worry about the added strain on your engine of adding at least 80 extra horses. do you have any psi figures for that turbo? if they are actually low..then thats awesome.

Cybernation turbo @ 6psi is around 275whp.

The K20 is a very powerful engine. NA K20's are putting around 300whp.

Thing that makes the RSX better than the GTS... the aftermarket support.

slidr--horses(in whp)/weight is listed in my post above.

6psi really isnt that bad..thats some good numbers

and ditto on your 2nd point...honda/acura has always been the standard when testing aftermarket support. and it doesnt seem to be slowing down one bit.

^^^^^ question about fuel tanks and whether this comes into play with curb weights.

curb weights of cars are usually measured with the gas tank being empty. in any case, the celicas gas tank capacity of 14.5 gallons and the rsx-s gas tank capacity of 13.2 gallons is virtually equal.

very good point!!!

either choice u'll be staified...same car speed wise pretty much rsx type s little more power but i'd prefer celica over rsx with looks

go with the GTS if you want looks
go with the RSX-S if you want more aftermarket support.

if your into racing go with the RSX, it has a bit more potential.

GTS, Celicas are GREAT!!!

If you want to go JDM and follow the Japanese tuners, go with the DC5. It's a great car and one of the best car in its class for 6 years. (I got that info from BMI) You'll go pretty far with it.

If you want to go semi-JDM and follow some minor Japanese tuners, go with the GTS. It's a great car and one of the best looking cars in its class. You'll get some heads turning.

They're both fun cars, but my vote goes to the DC5...RSX Type-S.

But I wouldn't bother getting any of the bases. (RSX/GT)

^^exactly

imo, jdm is on the down. less and less people are going jdm in part because the domestic tuner market is starting to pick up pace (although still not on par with jdm) also, many people, including me, think jdm to be to ricy in some cases.

you're right about potential though...rsx-s does have more potential do to honda/acura's clout in the aftermarket world.

Yes, but not everyone wants to spend $10-20K on their car.

I'd say that 80-90% of RSX and Celica owners spend less than $4-5K on their car with performance mods.

In that range, the GTS is a better car overall. The RSX looks and handles like a tank.

And what is with the interior? The shifter area looks like an economy car

RSX + Auto-x track = hilarious blooper reel

true that. celica is "race-inspired" haha the looks are anyway.

RSX-S have a full aftermarket support, a tick faster than GTS, so-so handling.

GTS have lesser aftermarket support, wonderful looks, execellent handling.

i know i'm not saying a lot here, but believe me. i've been looking at the celica since jan 2000, i've also compare with RSX-S before i bought it 2 weeks ago, celica is so much better overall. you should go test drive it if you haven't done so...

rsx-s stock is slower than gts stock. not vice-versa.

well if you want, scratch that...thats my opinion because i have beaten a few. but if you want official numbers, the 1/4 for gts is 15.2 compared with 14.8 for rsx-s. so officially an rsx-s is a bit faster than the gts.

but i have seen dynos of the rsx-s producing less than 3 horses over the gts (link is posted above) and i doubt that 3 horses makes up for an extra 300 pounds of weight plus a higher drag coefficient.

The DC5 bred from pure racing. Without racing, the Type-R's wouldn't exist.

Honda made a racing car that people could afford and so they came out with the Type-R's.

hey thanks to errbody for the info and what not, I actually have a nice wad of cash to putinto the car and I was asking because my friend has a celica and is always saying if I get a RSX he'll beat me and I just wanted to know if the GTS was worht all the hop-la

okay now i want to ask, all I really plan to do is probably I/e/h, nothing to major, maybe some other small things, and I'm inti racing sometimes, mainly just to kill all the chumps who's daddy bought thema crappy civic. so with just those mods is it still pretty much just a drivers race or what.

Your friend sounds like he's blinded by the truth.

It's dangerous, but take him on the highway. He won't catch up once you get in front.

i like the celica...the interior is way nicer...seems all in reach...where rsx is all over...hard to explain...i have a gts and my twin has an rsx...i take the gts over the rsx

I saw a Black RSX-S a couple days ago. It was lowered with stock wheels. Looked pretty clean IMO. But I like the Celica better


BTW on a side not he revved on me and wanted to race but I know that street really well and theres always cops driven around.

headers give an average of 3-4 horses
exhausts give an average of 4-8 horses
and the trial header will give you about 10 horses (this is the only dyno i have seen of a header for the celica gts..but the only other header i would do is the one that dc motorsports is developing that is scheduled to come out sometime this january. obviously i havnt seen any stats on this, but judging from the history of the company--i'm sure its top notch. not to mention it will be cheaper than trial because you won't have to ship it from japan)

If you mean the RSX will beat a GTS on th highway, you are wrong.

Coefficient of drag is a bitch at 130

rule of thumb: the faster you are going the more it is a car's race and the less it is a driver's race.

drivint skill comes into play mainly during acceleration. as your gears become bigger and bigger, the slower you are accelerating...especially when you start running out of power.

that said, i'm pretty sure the celica has a lower drag coefficient than that of an rsx.

never liked the way rsx's looks, but with a little mods i guess it'll be ok. but i'll definitely go with a celica, all the way.

rule of thumb: a high speed race is ALWAYS a drivers race.

130 MPH isn't just "cruisin'" unless you want to end up dead

RSX is crap at that speed, btw. Worst than a Mustang

No, I'm talking about the Type-S.

Why would you compare a base with a upgrade?

That's like saying:

Which has a better top-end...Lancer or GT-R? (Don't answer this)

So am I.

The RSX-S only puts down 3 more WHP than the GTS, and it weighs more and has a higher coefficient of drag.

Stock for stock, the celica kills it. Mod for mod, the celica kills it (save for hondata)

On the track...well, we won't go there.

No...

You

Ahahaha.

If it makes you feel better.