Celica Forums General Discussion General RSX or GTS

its a drivers race, end of story.

im done with this debate.. some of you guys are really stubborn.. im not posting this again all im trying to was help the guy out with waht car he wanted not which one is faster or cooler looking. peace

I think it only goes down to one person...

I think you know who that is.

wtf? toyota says the 6-spd gts' top speed is 130. drive it right? anyway.

take the pic.

were trying to show facts, not talk from the ass. i kinda think this topic is good since rsx-s and gts are perfect comparison cars. facts, not fakes or "mine is better, ur sux" go brag that at a frickin toys-r-us forum or something. someone can describe the torque and the shiftings on each car? which one has shorter shifts/gear ratios...

BOTTOM LINE!

GTS and RSX-S is a drivers Race...

RSX-S has the Aftermarket Advantage
GTS-S has the looks advantage

RSX looks like a smooshed version of a cavalier. Did you look at the interior? I like the cock pit feeling of the celica better than the sedan style RSX

Celica has a very Jet Pilot like interior!

I have a Celica and my brother has a RSX. Both are great cars...it's hard to choose between the two. You should simply just ignore everything here, test drive the cars yourself and decide.

Go back to reading Import Tuner, your magazine stats and "website claims" are no good here.

werd!

listen..i can get my celi's speedo to read "125" mph in FIFTH gear at about 7 rpms (so i still had room to go in 5th, and obviously a ton more in 6th). i just went out and did it, but i had to slow down because a curve was coming up (jean lafitte national forest) i'm sure i can get my speedo to read 140 given enough space and the fact that i still had another gear to go.

just saying i doubt however accurate this is because i would ASSUME that toyota knows more about what my car is capable of than me. if toyota says "130" then why would i say anything else unless its verified otherwise??

and anyway, like i said..if you can really get your car to go that fast and it be accurate, then so be it. but unless otherwise proven, i feel no need to say anything else other than what toyota says.

^^and also, import tuner (power pages) was the source of your quote saying "3 extra whp" at the top of this page. but anyway

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I was making fun of those numbers... notice the " "

no offense diablo, but if you had gotten a RSX-S you would debate that that is faster than the GTS, im done now peace

no, I would have said the RSX-S tranny is better

i agree with you on that it is a lot better

ITs nice!

That was a lotta reading for nothing. If you can get past Honda's cookie cutter designs, then test drive em. Performance wise, I'm sure these are two close cars. But I PERSONALLY would never drive a car that looks like an Integra and a Civic's drunken pig sex offspring.

as mentioned, i'm sure i can get my speedo to read the same thing. what does this prove? i'll still stick w/what toyota says until proven otherwise. and where are your rpm's anyway? not debating anymore, but it'd be nice to see where your rpms are at in 6th gear with your speedo reading that. also, what size wheels/tires are you running?

my speedo gave me 125 in 5th gear just this morning on my way to work (different experience than the one posted above). problem with going fast is that you always have to slow down eventually

but anyway obviously i like the celica more cause i have one. just saying the rsx-s should have a higher top end. and who are we supposed to beleive? toyota and mags or a post of someones speedo? sure toyota & the mags can be wrong, but are they? after all..speedos are very wrong some of the time.

my RPM's are about 7K, I can't get a wider shot, because at over 120MPH, I keep my eyes on the road

Toyota says 130, because 99.9999999% of people would NEVER drive over 100MPH on a public street anyways, because it simply isn't safe.

I am on 16 GTS rims.

Btw, just because you get only to 125, doesn't mean I don't. Most likely, you don't hold the car to the top of the rev band in 3rd/4th/5th gear, because at the end of fifth (8K rpm) I am at 130, and after about 20-25 seconds of being in 6th, I hit 145

Takes me about a total of 60-70 seconds to go from 3rd to 6th at 145 (as posted)

Don't believe what you read in magazines and websites, generally they are wrong.

Also, those sites you listed have the GTS being faster 0-100 than the RSX-S

yeah, i'm not going all the way to redline in 5th...i had to stop at 125 because i had to slow down

i'm totally stock, got the 16" alloys...and i've never lost to an rsx (even the rsx-s) so i can beleive the faster acceleration times (esp. the 0-100). but supposedly their supposed to do a faster 0-60 and a faster 1/4 so i just attributed this to bad driving (i'm not the best driver either).

in any case, you might be right about the 130...but i still don't understand why toyota would say that. or maybe they just underrated it on purpose to be sure all gts 6-spds can attain this? either that or our speedos are very off going at such a high speed.

No, most cars are electronically limited to say "155" or "135" for some specific speed because they have the power to go 160-180 but in a high performance, top end car, would you want to be in a police officer's Crown Victoria or Chevy Malibu chasing after someone doing 180MPH?

Also, I just checked my owners manual, and Toyota listed the maxium "allowable" speed as 129 in 5th gear, no listing for 6th.

"Theoretical top speed" just means someone said this is what I think the car will do, doesn't have anything to do with "Actual top speed"

the reason some high powered cars (and presumably high top end) are electronically limited is for stability reasons. they either do not do good in wind tunnel tests or the suspension is considerred too weak for control purposes at those speeds. also some tires are not made to go at certain speeds so this will also play a role.

the cop example makes sense, too...but crown vics + police package = very fast car. but they are still unstable at very high speeds. this is why it's not uncommon to see camaro and corvette cops posted along freeways.

Camaro + high speeds = hilarious police video

Camaros are not built for top end speed

When I say top end performance car, I mean Porsche, Ferrari, Audi, BMW, Lambo

A Crown Vic, Camaro, Corvette are no match for some of those cars, especially at speeds of greater than 160-170MPH

^^ granted. but camaros are more stable than crown vics...as well as most other cars.

most top peformance cars such as ferrari, porsche, lamborghini, aston martin do not have limited speeds.

this is because they spent buku $$ wind tunnel testing and are proven stable.

They all do. There isn't a single car you can buy from a license automotive dealer in the United States that will travel over 155MPH.

You can thank your federal government for that

not sure about that. the only info i could find about the "limited top speed" of the lamborghini murcielago was that it was "drag-limited at 205 mph)

Keep looking.

The Federal governmnet requires cars to be governed to 155 (maybe 160?) when they are for sale from a dealer. Aftermarket, private seller is another story.

well that would make sense, i'll give you that.

How bout this...

Don't get eathier get a WRX, put 5g's in and run 11's

im wondering when this madness will end

i think its about ended...lol not really much more to argue about.

well uh yeah I guess I'll just test drive them both and see what happens. some of you guys get really heated over this issue. ya'll should all relax, we are so lucky to even be able to get even little crappy hondas. you should see the shitty cars people drive over here. but uh yeah thanks forall the people who had some input.

celicas look better inside and out, drive better, handle better, and are all around BETTER

werd

A Celica lift kicks harder than an Integra type-R even more so than an RSX-typeS because the the RSX is more redefined? (smoothing out HP and TQ). Where a Celica's max torque is separated by only 600 RPM's from lift and the HP is max at 7600 giving a short too short but explosive powerband

stop bench racing guys.

Let it die.

And Donegan, you are going back on block and your comments being sent to a mod, you really need to grow up.

The US government regulations require automotive manufactures to put electronic speed limiters on cars if they can go faster than what the tires are rated to. It has nothing to do with stability or any other ulterior motives or restrictions, if the tires can go XXXX speed with out having a blow out, then the car can be sold with the capablility of reaching that speed.

Corvette ZO6's for example, have a top speed of 171 MPH. Dodge Vipers have a top speed of 185 MPH. Both these cars are fully capable of reaching these top speeds, they are not electronically governed to 150

Maximum top speed for a GTS is listed as 129 mph. This is the speed of the car at redline in 5th gear. Generally speaking, the actual top speed of a GTS is considered to be 137, which is the speed that the car is traveling in 5th gear past red line just before fuel cut off. You arn't supposed to be able to actually accelerate in 6th gear in a stock Celica because it is a double over drive and the wind resistance doesn't allow it.

Kill the name calling and keep the debate clean boys

I posted a pic in this thread at over 140, in 6th gear, accelerating still

GTS

according to the quote, he says that the car wont accelerate at 6th gear, duno if its true or not, but is ur car stock or do you have intake or exhaust or both? but celica is very capable to go over 130 IMO since ive been to 115 w/ camry and then governor kicked in

on my way to lake tahoe like 3 months ago in my 2000 i easily got to like 135 or so an she felt like she wanted to keep going

Exactly. I don't doubt that you were able to get your car up to 140 in 6th Diablo, I was referring to a completely stock Celica. With just an intake and exhaust, I have heard of people getting there Celica's to go over 145 in 6th.

A completely stock Celica on a flat surface normally isn't supposed to be able to accelerate any more in 6th. If you have a stock Celica and was able to keep pulling a little in 6th, then I would think that you were going down hill a little, or you could just have a factory freak that makes more power than normal.

hmmm i agree there, i did have intake an short exhaust

^^ 2 up. why wouldn't you be allowed to accelerate more in 6th? the gear is bigger than 5th and the power used to turn it is virtually the same. sure, one of the reasons they made the 6th gear was for fuel savings and it is in very close ratio to 6th gear, but you still should be able to pick up speed in 6th gear, just my assumption. not saying your wrong, but you need to provide more information.

good info, speed ratings for tires are listed as letters that denote specific speeds at which they can travel.

the speed ratings of tires are as follows:
N 87 mph 140 km/h Temporary Spare Tires
P 93 mph 150 km/h
Q 99 mph 160 km/h Studless & Studdable Winter Tires
R 106 mph 170 km/h H.D. Light Truck Tires
S 112 mph 180 km/h Family Sedans & Vans
T 118 mph 190 km/h Family Sedans & Vans
U 124 mph 200 km/h
H 130 mph 210 km/h Sport Sedans & Coupes
V 149 mph 240 km/h Sport Sedans, Coupes & Sports Cars
W 168 mph 270 km/h Exotic Sports Cars
Y 186 mph 300 km/h Exotic Sports Cars

When Z-speed rated tires were first introduced, they were thought to reflect the highest tire speed rating that would ever be required, in excess of 240 km/h or 149 mph. While Z-speed rated tires are capable of speeds in excess of 149 mph, how far above 149 mph was not identified. That ultimately caused the automotive industry to add W- and Y-speed ratings to identify the tires that meet the needs of new vehicles that have extremely high top-speed capabilities.

W 168 mph 270 km/h Exotic Sports Cars
Y 186 mph 300 km/h Exotic Sports Cars

While a Z-speed rating still often appears in the tire size designation of these tires, such as 225/50ZR16 91W, the Z in the size signifies a maximum speed capability in excess of 149 mph, 240 km/h; the W in the service description indicates the tire's 168 mph, 270 km/h maximum speed.

225/50ZR16 in excess of 149 mph, 240 km/h
205/45ZR17 88W 168 mph, 270 km/h
285/35ZR19 99Y 186 mph, 300 km/h

Most recently, when the Y-speed rating indicated in a service description is enclosed in parenthesis, such as 285/35ZR19 (99Y), the top speed of the tire has been tested in excess of 186 mph, 300 km/h indicated by the service description as shown below:

285/35ZR19 99Y 186 mph, 300 km/h
285/35ZR19 (99Y) in excess of 186 mph, 300 km/h


this information was quoted exactly from the following site:http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/general/speed.htm which you can visit for more information if you'd like

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