Celica Forums General Discussion General I think my friend is gonna die...

I was just talking about cars with my friend who has a 96 Z28. He told me that he has "an idea". I knew that was bad.

He is apparently going to try to use a nitrous-style setup, except his will be injecting... get this... propane. His reasoning is that propane is cheaper and does the same thing. I tried explaining that nitrous isnt a flammable gas| but he actually told me that they said it was on Fast and Furious. ::slaps head::

I just pray hes not smart enough to find a way to hook this up.

lol damn ricers

OMFG

um... propane injection WORKS!


on diesel engines anyway... it's gonna be BAD on a gasoline engine though... I would advise him not to do it, unless he doesn't mind turning his engine into an expensive grenade.

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the engine wont necessarily blow, but it will definately lessen the lifespan...

the last person that i knew that tried propane injection on a gasoline engine ended up with third degree burns when his engine literally exploded, and started his car on fire while he was driving it.

I saw that on tv...told my friend that has a truck and told me I was full of shit...I made sure he was over when they had a rerun and told him 'gee...didnt i tell you that too?'...he also though the 'new hemi' had more power then the old muscle car ones.

stop him with anything you can...
lock him in jail or something...

find a way to make him less stupid

Werd

You mean put him back in the Womb?

^^^

meh, if he really is a friend, he would listen to you. If he doesn't, then he deserves what he's gonna get for ignoring all the signs.

btw, kick him in the junk for me

yes. put him back in the womb. with a wooden bat... or crowbar.

video tape it

yes. video tape it. we all want to see how exactly you utilize the bat/crowbar in order to get him back in the womb.

I reeeeally don't wanna encourage this...

... but I might have to tape this if he goes through with it... from a safe distance, of course.

Tape it.

We can all laugh as it blows up.

OK heres the truth about engines that run on propane...



Injecting propane will not be the same as NOS, Propane actually burns the same as gasoline only a lot cleaner.

The next time you see one of yer local natural gas company trucks check it out its prolly running on propane, Same goes for forklifts and busses, airport support vehicles, etc.

Back in the 80's propane costed about 1/2 as much as gasoline and many companies with fleet trucks converted over to propane as did some average joe consumers.


The only way this guy is gonna blow up is if he does a leaky mickey mouse install and somehow gets a spark to it.


If it werks he will get no hp gain just cleaner engine.

Hey--your friends Village called, they want their idiot back

That makes me feel slightly better. Although, he is planning on hooking it up to spray into the Intake system... so there's a pretty good chance of a leak under the hood.

exhaust from forklifts smells oddly good

That explains so much, Diablo.

I'd have to watch this guy when he starts that sh*t up.. but from safely behind a brick wall.

Little off topic: I have heard people say No2 is flammable and people say it isn't. From what I know its not but they like to show it exploding in movies all the time. I was actually watching I think it was 3rd Watch or something. There was a car wreck and some NOS bottles blew while this EMT was working on the hood of the car.. She was trying to get this other person unstuck from another car. Anyway the bottles blew and she hit the ground a little burned.. and then a few seconds later you see her legs hit the ground next to her head.. I was like I did not see that coming.

Ummm...He'll find out the hard way I guess

^^

I cannot stand the smell of exhaust from something that burn propane. I learned standard on a forklift and drove it before I had a license. No matter how many times I've dealt with the exhaust smell or smell of propane itself I hate it. I love the smell of gas though. My dad once rebuilt a really old forklift, like 60's era, and basically from what he said, propane is a very clean burning fuel.

Give him a match and a bucket O' gasoline! Then tell him to dump a little on his balls, light the match, and see what injecting Propane into the fuel mix will do!!!

Or, a lighter approach would just be some Ben-Gay on the nutz...OMG that stuff burns...

Propane is awsome on diesel engines, no idea about gasoline. And the only propane I remember in context with 2 Fast 2 Furious was a behind the scenes shot, and it was the pink S2000 with two propane tanks and they were hooked up to the exhaust so it would shoot those massive flames out (I guess it was a lot easier than getting one of those flame-throwing modding kits you can buy for your car.)

But as everyone says, sounds like a bad idea.

What the hell are you guys talking about?

Here (Belgium), nearly every gasoline engine runs on propane. It isn't harmfull for the engine. It is much cheaper then gasoline. It's cleaner for the environment. We get money from the state (700$) if we do the conversion. And use a safetyvalve to prevent blowing shit up. It can improve Performance with decent programming, but it is not much (2-5 hp), but it is actually less energetic then gasoline.
In Diesel engines it also does improve Performance. But so does adding gasoline with the diesel.

um, just some obvious obseravation & questions about your post:

1. you say nearly every GASOLINE engine runs on propane, and then you say propane is much cheaper than gasoline? i think i know what you meant to say, but the way you say it makes it sound like you use propane instead of gasoline, instead of propane being a supplement to the gasoline.

anyway, 50% of cars sold in europe run on diesel fuel (yay--good for the environment--whatever ) and the other 50% run on gasoline (how many are aided by propane i don't know)

2. how can propane be 'less energetic' but cause a Performance increase?

Sorry, I explained it wrong. I am still learning english. Propane NEEDS more energy before it "explodes". More then gasoline does. But if propane burns if gives more energy (50MJ/kg). Gasoline --> 43MJ/kg. And in most situations the engine produces less hp burning on propane then it does with gasoline. BUT now there are new installations that produce more hp with propane then with Gasoline.

Yes, propane is used to replace gasoline. But if it works like this, there shouldn't be a problem with it using it like nitrous oxide if you use a backdraft valve (hope this is the correct word for it). But it won't increase Performance I think.

And diesel engines are more common then gasoline engines more than 50%. Diesel engines produce much LESS CO2 so it is actually better for the environment. They have diesel catalysators now. And in the list of most environment friendly cars the smaller diesel engines or on top, at the same level as the toyo prius. And if you choose one of those cars you get like 5000 dollars of discount on taxes.

^^ here in the states their trying to make a new push for diesel because of the increased fuel mileagle.

vw has a diesel car available, and they are releasing a v10 touareg soon. there are about 5 other CARS here that are offered with diesel fuel (obviously not a lot) large consumer trucks have always used diesel here because torque is so much easier to come by with diesel fuel. (and of course almost all commericial trucks use diesel as well).

and your english is almost perfect (better than most americans--at least the brits will get a laugh)...i would have thought it was your first langauge. if thats the most you mess up, you won't have a problem the rest of your life

i'm taking spanish but theres tons of hispanics in my area because i'm near mexico and many latin countries...plus my girlfriend is honduran and some of her family doesnt speak any english whatsoever (except hi, bye).

anyway, i'm off topic

Bump.

So my question is this: is it or is it not dangerous for his friend to do what he wants to do?

it is but it isn't?

i wouldnt do it, personally.

but look at it this way: propane is no more flammable than gasoline.

PROPANE CONTAINS NO OXYGEN!!! nitrous oxide works because it introduces more oxygen into the combustion chamber which in turn allows you to burn more fuel. nitrous dosent give you power, the extra fuel does. how you think that propane will help is beyond me, all you will be doing is making your engine run rich. no power will be gained.

let him see this, maybe he will change his mind.

by the way. nitrous oxide will NOT explode if exposed to a flame. it is a non flamamble gas and it says so right on my bottle. the reason nitrous works is cause in the combustion chamber the N20 decomposes into 2N+ O. that O is then free to react with the fuel which makes a bigger bang and creates the power

ok guys gimmie a break cause we just learned this in chemistry so...
Propane is C3H8 right? so there is no oxygen in the formula so it shouldnt really do anything but make the fuel mixture richer...am i right?

I think that I may have talked him out of it. Not because it's so dangerous, but because he thinks that he might have "better" ideas to gain HP. At this time, I shudder to think what those are.

take his car away from him!! ~lol~

read my post a couple posts up (on the first page)

oh ok...well at least i was kinda right...i tihnk

Dude...

I have seen conversions to 4x4 trucks with a carb because the propane enters the chamber in an gas state and the spark plug just has to fire (no compression needed) . 4x4 guys will do this conversion because with non f.i. cars if they tilt too much to one side the engine will die out. I doubt there is any benefit to fitting the propane to his gas lines. All he's doing is putting a very rich mixture to the chamber I think they would make for a great flamethrower at the exhaust!!!

???? About the questions if nitrous is flammable? A recent accident in Hawaii involved a eclipse hitting a state truck and then bursting into flames. THe news constantly stated that there were nitrous bottles in the car(making it clear to the public people with N0S are speeders). I'm not sure if it was the nitrous bottles that did make it explode like that but I do believe that the NOS mixture, when compressed will have a greater combustion. By itself, NOS is not flammable,

I'm still @ "the fast and the furious told me so"