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i'm just wondering why a lot of people don't have it..is it the price? or is it just bad product? i think it's pretty nice..240 hp..makes the engine look good too.
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Is that how much power it put out? Thought it was a little lower than that...
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i think it too expensive!!!
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i thought it was 25 hp to the wheels. and its 240 when you boost the compression
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i dunno..but this is where i got 240 from.. javascript:PopUp('popupimage.asp?img=SUPCHRG&cod=10126','_blank','scrollbars,resizable,width=400,height=400') "IMPROVES POWER TO 240PS AND TORQUE TO 180NM" what else could "ps" and "nm" mean? is that in japanese terms?
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I think its about 60whp. For less money, you could build a custom Turbo that could add up to and sometimes over 100whp.
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team mate of ours dynoed 215 to the wheels @ 8K rpms, with 160 wtq.
thats about what you can expect, and about what a 50 shot of n20 does.
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1PS = .9867(or something clsoe to that) HP
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team mate of ours dynoed 215 to the wheels @ 8K rpms, with 160 wtq.
thats about what you can expect, and about what a 50 shot of n20 does. ^^ what he said. it is hella fun to drive though.
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once again you mis-informed people are opening your mouth. The supercharger, while not boasting as much top end power as a Turbocharger, makes power across the board.. watch a supercharged celi and Turbocharged celi drag race or circuit race and see who can get off the line and pull out of those turns quicker.
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not rady to pay thousands for one
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supercharger is slightly better for low end power (celicas weakness), but i think many people dont get this SC because of the return they get from payin so much.. too expensive for the HP output it gives
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Turbos do offer more "bang for the buck", but most superchargesrs are simple bolt-ons that require little additional work, and there's that trade off between all around power and high-end power. I also think people get Turbos because they love to hear it whine up and then hear the blow-off valve (I know I do!).
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Turbos do offer more "bang for the buck", but most superchargesrs are simple bolt-ons that require little additional work, and there's that trade off between all around power and high-end power. I also think people get Turbos because they love to hear it whine up and then hear the blow-off valve (I know I do!). well said.. and consider that some Turbos can harm your engine in the long run
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and so can superchargers.
dont S/C's make a whirring noise as well?
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^^^ point is - it's nothing compared to the sound of a Turbo...
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team mate of ours dynoed 215 to the wheels @ 8K rpms, with 160 wtq.
thats about what you can expect, and about what a 50 shot of n20 does. so you are sayin 50 shot of nitrous is about equivalent to this blitz s/c? did your teamate dyno 215 hp with the s/c? or 50 shot?
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^^^ sounds like he dyno'd @ 215 with the s/c...
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team mate of ours dynoed 215 to the wheels @ 8K rpms, with 160 wtq.
thats about what you can expect, and about what a 50 shot of n20 does. so you are sayin 50 shot of nitrous is about equivalent to this blitz s/c? did your teamate dyno 215 hp with the s/c? or 50 shot? OMG no, HP isn't about what your max power is. Horsepower don't work like that. A stock GTS has a Horsepower rating of 180.. that doesn't mean when you start it up and drive at 20mph in second gear that you've got 180 HP at the wheels.. 180 means that the engine will produce a maximum of 180hp at it's peak. The blitz supercharger will create about 50 more peak horsepower, but when your driving at 20mph in second gear and punch it you'll have more power across the powerband *almost* instantly. Unlike a Turbo, depending on the size, where it takes time to spool up. Take a look at a dyno chart and you'll see what I mean.
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Since you get instant boost with a supercharger, your torque curve is very flat. You can get a very similar dyno chart if you use a properly sized Turbo. I do agree with Death, it's better to have more of a flat power band then a spike.
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team mate of ours dynoed 215 to the wheels @ 8K rpms, with 160 wtq.
thats about what you can expect, and about what a 50 shot of n20 does. so you are sayin 50 shot of nitrous is about equivalent to this blitz s/c? did your teamate dyno 215 hp with the s/c? or 50 shot? OMG no, HP isn't about what your max power is. Horsepower don't work like that. A stock GTS has a Horsepower rating of 180.. that doesn't mean when you start it up and drive at 20mph in second gear that you've got 180 HP at the wheels.. 180 means that the engine will produce a maximum of 180hp at it's peak. The blitz supercharger will create about 50 more peak horsepower, but when your driving at 20mph in second gear and punch it you'll have more power across the powerband *almost* instantly. Unlike a Turbo, depending on the size, where it takes time to spool up. Take a look at a dyno chart and you'll see what I mean. ok uh.."OMG" i know how a s/c and Turbo n nitrous works n what it duz...my origional question was was poweroutput it gives to an engine at any point..has nothing to do with a Turbo celica and a s/c celica racing together...so why don't you post sumthin more useful.
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yes, its the price what makes the people not want to get the SC.
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from what i understand, it's like $6000 for parts + labor. and dyno at 193 whp...it's not a lot...
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anyone in here ever driven the blitz s/c for the gts?
I doubt it.
Personally having drag raced my team mates car for him, the system is very comparable to n20 except off boost response is pretty shoddy.
it is a clutch driven s/c, which means its not always on and is set to kick on at 90% throttle, which means it feels just like n20, once your in boost yes power is linear, just like n20, but the sudden rush of 40-50 whp and 30wtq makes it not very great for track/circut racing as you wouldn't be able to full throttle corner exits for fear of breaking the tires loose when that extra 50whp kicks on.
for this reason alone a Turbo'd gts would be a better choice and have more "linear" of a power band for track racing.
if a company can design a s/c system that is always on and not clutch driven (for example 03 cobras) then the s/c would be an optimum set up for circut racing for the instant throttle response.
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There is a way to bypass the clutch, that dude over at NC had it.
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the S/C dyno graph and the nitrous graph looked very similar if I remember correctly.
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i have heard that superchargers are recommended for bigger engines.. just wondering wouldn't it be better for the gts since it already has crazy top end and (as most people say) poor low end torque??
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There is a way to bypass the clutch, that dude over at NC had it. he didn't bypass the clutch he tried a few different things, he relocated the supercharger before the throttle body and found out it didn't work like he thought it would, so he moved it back, he also installed a bypass valve to help with off boost throttle response since it sucks pretty badly. If anyone has i'm imagining hotchkis has on their track celica because the blower looks like the same uinit
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