Celica Forums General Discussion Exterior Turbo Problems any1

I was thing of getting a Turbocharger next year but I wanted to know what are the biggest problems that people have encountered.

killing the clutch...

Get a nice C2power kit Stage 1 for your GT and you will have a lot of fun..

I recommend getting the C2Gas stage two kit just becasue it also comes with the pistons and rods and if your gunna boost your celica than you gunna want those things jsut to be safe.. C2Gas has the best kit out there and should be trusted. Everything that I have heard about him is that its an amazing kit! he knows what he is doing!

yes you will be able to boost your psi higher if you get that kit but its all on what you want.

Also the clutch will go out and has gone out quite abit on boosted celica but also. I would'nt worry about th clutch if your gunna run like 6psi. I would more worry about your internals. and final gear. If you suck at driving a stick get a clutch for sure though.

There are no major prombelsm with teh stage 1 ki as long as your run it low enough psi! Its all about how much psi you wanna be running! Ask lucky about it too he knows quite abit more than I do about ktis just due to the fact that he has freinds that have boosted there celica's. My opinion is that the C2Gas kit on stock internals should hold up to 6psi SAFELY! Your gunna need a high gas though.. thats common since though. Hope this helps!

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Go C2!!!

No offence, but I have a 2000 GT (50.000 km) with a Stage 1 C2power kit which still has to be tuned (estimated power at the moment is 180 whp) and the clutch will NOT hold the power. If it does hold it, won't hold it for long. Be wise and replace your clutch even when going ST1 !!!

why cant you just go str8 to stage 2

you can, but st2 is basically the same as st1.
only diff is internals and a bigger IC
so why not go ST1 with bigger intercool, then decide if you really want more power..
I have st1 and it's fast... very fast..

because eventually you will want to go faster(turbo is so damn addicting)...and you might kick yourself in the ass later for not just getting every thing done at once. I mean you can always drive a stg2 at stg1psi and know you have reserves to some ass if you want to

hmm streight to stage 2 sounds good

Hey Immo, what exhaust are you running with the Turbo?

Biggest problem you will have is deciding if 70whp is worth $5000.00 lol

that's how much the kit is running for ?

SF kit takes awhile to get right now but no problems with the kit it's self


Most people forget to think about this - your gas mileage will get a lot worse with a Turbo. Just keep that in mind

also like mentioned before it's best to upgrade the clutch. with a gts DO NOT go with a lighter flywheel cause under heavy launching you can send the motor into free rev and actually slow your self down. unless of course you run something like the power fc that completely replaces the stock ecu.

Only in the beginning as youre always boosting because it feels good, but after you get used to it and drive normal your gas milage actually is improved a bit. I can drive all day without boosting past 1-2psi which is nothing.

not really! ppl spending 5000 for 70hp are still ahead of those (HP PER DOLLAR WISE)paying for CAI/EXHAUST/HEADER..ETC Just i/h/e can easily cost about 3000 for not more than 20hp so you do the math... remember you got to pay to play!!

3000 for C/E/H is that including install because I have C/H and just bought the evo 2 exhaust and it hasnt come up to 3000

Stage 2 is the only way to go! If your gunna boost don't boost for like 80whp... Just add abit more money and be able to boost to 16psi... C2 arnt you gunna be running like 16psi when yu get your clutch... By the way nice vid! Anyways, Stage 2 would be the smartess investment! Also i've read that yes the stock clutch can hold like 6psi but it WILL Slip.. Jsut to be safe and don't kick your self in the ass later get a clutch too..

If you get the stage two your gunna get ALOT more for the money!!!

Gas or lucky question for you. im gunna do a custom kit would you recommend a lighter flywheel? IM almost done collecting my parts.. Its like X-Mas time in my conrner of my room..

3000 is using the most expensive maufacturer parts, and not some cheap ebay POS!

hmmm I cant remember if the stg 2 can boost effectively to 16psi because of the Turbo. Maybe 12psi is a good number to say. But you can always swap out Turbos if yo must boost further, but i think youll be happy with the stg 2 as is. What I have is short of a low level entrance race car. For sure not a daily driver anymore. I will be running a amx of 17-18 psi. As far as a light flywheel...I have one, but if I could do it again i wouldnt. With the Turbo it spools up so hard and fast my rpm just rocket to red line. I have a little heavier TRD flywheel that i had just got but since i spent money on the RPS im using it instead. So I guess I have a TRD flywheel thats only seen like 1500mi which is virtually nothing for sale

I don't agree..
Stage 2 means taking out the engine, boring, replacing pistons and rods (I suggest valves and springs too) and a lot of money. Stage 1 is a much easier kit to install and let me tell you 80 hp is really a lot. especially if your car is mainly a daily driver.

Like C2PowerGTS says somewhere, you don't boost that much really when driving normally... you just go up to 1-2 psi .. you can do that with st1 and st2. I think st1 might be a bit faster at that pressure since it has a higher compression (not sure though)

The only 'double' work you do when you upgrade st1 to st2 instead of going st2 at once is in my opinion installing the Turbo manifold. The rest needs to be done anyway..

What I advice to all of our costumers to start safely with st1. I suggest it cos thats allready a huge power gain ( tq and Hp as well) that your car will feel different. I m not sure that ppl can really enjoy the power of the st2-3 kits on the streets. As for the meaning of our product line:
st1- bolt on Turbo kit with stock internals (bottle neck is the engine itself, any bolt on kit can be boosted high to kill stock engine, so we say up to 50% is the limit)usually around 6psi.
st2- changed internals and clutch to hold higher boost (bottle neck will be the Turbo as we use the same Turbos on the st1. Basically means that you can boost up to 14psi,but from there the Turbo loosing its efficienty very fast)
st3- st2 kit and upgraded Turbo like hybrids to produce eficient boost over 14psi and not loose low rpm torque.(bootle neck can be anything, like tranny, drive shafts, head gasket, etc...) So this can be really expensive toy. new and newer things will show up to be weak.

We have done a "lot" st1 kits, a few st2 and only 2 st3. And I really advice any bolt on Turbo kits if the parts are well designed. Best mod for the bux and a safe start to know what you have under you. The manufacturer is your choice, as the price, service, upgrade possibilities, etc...
My goal is now to kill serious motorbikes and to hit the 300km/h (187mph) limit (and tape it lol) whatever power it needs.

Oh yeah I have an auto does yur kit work for auto

I dunno how they do their management but we've seen a problem with a lighter flywheel that I'v ementioned before where the rpms go up so fast in 1st that the engine thinks it's fre reving and limits you to 7100 rpms. This was under hard launching at the track on dr's.

I would say not to worry about the lighter flywheel.

Cool Good To Hear I Can Buy Other Things Than! Thanks! I jsut wouldn't want anything to go wrong with my car after its boosted.


Im doing a custom kit so thats why I asked about the higher psi. Cause the way it looks i'm going to be able to run that higher psi, so anyways what you think about lucky said? I like opinions!

Quick question though.. Does your kit come with E-Manage? Thanks

^^^^well first if you really are going to go that high you need to solve a problem, your tranny. I can assure you it will not hold. Solution...C2POWER tranny. Im not just trying to get you to but it, you WILL need it. As far as the flywheel goes yea I wouldnt really worry about it. If yoou have the money get one not so light like the trd(which i have one with only 1500mi for sale:)) Im running Power FC not emanage, but c2 kits do use the emanage.

^^^ Whats the most psi that I can run and not need to upgrade the tranny? Cause the tranny I know isnt cheap... Haha it will be a later upgrade.

We broke our tranny at 17psi. I suggest to brake it first then replace. lol
Gas

dont you have to get the car inspected and taxed when adding Turbo in the us?
thats the only thing holding me back, her we first need to buy the Turbo then i cant drive the car before i they have checked it becuase it need a new papers so i must take the car to them with out driving it.
then it must be checked and not fail and then they will hassel a lot about the hp and Turbo etc. and then i mnust tax teh hp that is hell expensive i think it is around 8500$ for about 70-80 hp to in the engien of an celica gt.
f&%

^^^ Thats weird!




Haha maybe i'll run like 15psi than... Give me some more time to get more money after I buy your Kit : )

lol

hey C2gas does the the Turbo kit work with an auto gt

thats crazy you get taxed by the HP you need to move to the US

st1 kits do

yes i wanna do that, but i cant come inn anyway since i got a bad record.
so you guys dont need to pay any tax`es? we get chreged for the hp and weight so the doge Ram 1500 Pickup
cost 214285$ her, its fucked up

to mutch off topic sorry, im just so pissed at the tax system

best CAI out there cost $200
best Exhaust out there cost $500
Best header out there cost around $3-400
to have someone install it will cost like $500

he lives in europ mybe its more expensive if i shudd buy i/h/e her in a store in my country it wudd have been around 3000

well witht the introduction of TPR products i guess the best prices have gone down. Im interested at what header you think is 400 and the best. And yes im europe so its a lot more expensive here. Regardless my post still stands at hp per dollar getting a Turbo is worth it. If I had to do all over again with my car, I wouldnt have spent money on all the different exhaust and Intakes that i did. which got mr really no where on the hp map!



best CAI out there cost $200
best Exhaust out there cost $500
Best header out there cost around $3-400
to have someone install it will cost like $500 [/quote]

yea, i don't really see the point of buying all those products. They give you at the most 15hp. which is nothing when you spend that kind of money. ALl the money could be saved for a nice Turbo kit like you are saying. All those products do is basically make your car sound louder. I would rather it not sound loud and go fast.

I bet to differ.. Getting all those things could give more like 25hp... But still. If your seriously thinking about getting HP than Turbo is the way to go.. You can run low psi and for little amounts (dont see why you would spend money and low boost but whatever) or run a higher psi for alittle more money!

Get Headers and Exhaust an Intake is all good but Celica's are truely missing the most important things.. CAMS!

Also GT's are terriable to try and N/A... I suggest though just from what i've read if you ahve a GTS you could seriouly get some power through N/A.. Of course nothing like a Turbo but.. I know if you do Intake, Exhaust,Headers, AND Apexi FC than you could run some serious power for a GTS.. I believe Lucky knows a lot about this...

Lucky alittle Fill-in here would be good!

thats not true if you do get a Turbo you will need to replace all that stuff anyway, you'd kill your engine with stock header and exhuast

With a Turbo you don't use a Header.. But i guess its the same.. Its a manifold and you'll get one with any KIT you get! just make sure its good quility. As far as exhaust.. I would recommend a Turbo back.. I've heard the Apexi one works good.. Or just a custom one.. C2 has custom if im not mistaken. and an Intake that will come with the kit too.. So pretty much with a Turbo the only thing that "You the buyer" will need to buy other than the kit reagarding Intake and everything is a Exhaust.. More power too with a bigger exhaust and downpipe..

Apex doesn't make a Turboback for the Celica, and their normal axleback and stock B-pipe combo would be ridiculously small for a Turbo car. You would need a completely custom 3" exhaust from the downpipe to the muffler.

Running low boost (6 psi) gives you about 80hp gain, giving the GT about 200 whp... add a lightweight flywheel and raise that to about 210-215 (estimated).
I really think you underestimate that amount of power..

The price of st2 over st1 is not a little more money... it takes a lot more time, you need to get the engine bored, new pistons and rods.. If I'd have to do that in .nl I'd be looking at about (500 pistons, 750 rods, add taxes and labour) $2250. for you guys might be less, but still at least $1750 I think

25hp...ha!! Immo sorry bro but youre off on that number. Well with the celica anyway. Another car could but not ours. Its already well built with high flow in mind so cai,/exhaust/headers dont do much. Now add a PFC in the mix and the story gets better, but thus far ive yet to see a dyno proving a 25 hp gain from c/e/h combo

Woahao, wait a sec..
that wasn't my post!
I know i/h/e will never give those gains on a celica.
This was my response to GT2111's post (he claimed the 25hp :
Running low boost (6 psi) gives you about 80hp gain, giving the GT about 200 whp... add a lightweight flywheel and raise that to about 210-215 (estimated).
I really think you underestimate that amount of power..

The price of st2 over st1 is not a little more money... it takes a lot more time, you need to get the engine bored, new pistons and rods.. If I'd have to do that in .nl I'd be looking at about (500 pistons, 750 rods, add taxes and labour) $2250. for you guys might be less, but still at least $1750 I think

oops, sorry bro! my apologies:) I should have known you know better. Hey i got the clutch in friday sent it to gas today and will pick up the car on friday

No problem man...
I just now how much horsepower costs and it doesn't come that cheap for a celica

That is great news man!

I hope friday is gonna work out..
next week my clutch and fw will be installed. Then some tuning and I can really enjoy my new power

you lucky man

Sorry For the mix up.. Must have been reading on a differenet car

done correctly You should be able to match just about any base Turbo kit N/A and for less money. but since it hasnt been proven YET. If you want a lot of power go F/I.

It's a lot easier to get power by boosting over N/A. Thats why just about any high powered N/A 4 cyl wont be streetable lol

For me I'm crazy and like N/A so I'm doin it up. I'll never put down huge numbers on the dyno but it's what I want so I'll be happy if I was goin for raw numbers I'd go buy another muscle car lol