Celica Forums General Discussion General for people who know how to shift

i was wondering...ok..i dont know how to race shift yet...does anybody know how to double clutch bc i must be doing the retard version. damn that fast and the furious...help me out if ya can...

Just disregard everything you heard in that movie and you will be OK.


To shift fast:
1. Push clutch down.
2. Change gear.
3. Let clutch out.

Woooooooooo so exciting.

OMG I DIDNT KNOW U HAVE TO PUT CLUTCH IN?!?!!?











LOL JK!!!

Clutch, I can't find mine!!!!

Is the clutch that thing that makes all four turn signals blink at once?

yea mee too...oh yea i'm auto

tido, ok I am seriously going to try to help.

It took me a long time of learning (screwing up) to know how to race my Celi. And I also learned a lot from being in the passenger seat of someone who knows how to race a car.

Shifting right before fuel-cut is generally the best time to shift (for best times = attempting to win, not best trap speeds).
If you shift RIGHT before fuel cut, it is not possible NOT to go off the gas like someone suggested. You will bounce off the rev limiter. If you don't shift RIGHT before fuel cut then fine, but you better be quick. Don't think of the full throttle shift as three different steps. Instead combine the clutch in and shift throw into gear as 1 step, and the clutch out as the second step. I used to think "1,2,3" like someone suggested, but this just slowed me down. As you know success in any sport starts with the mind and how you visualize your performance. Now I think "1,2" and it works a lot better for me.

I prefer to shift RIGHT before fuel cut (100-200 rpms), and lift off the throttle just a little to keep from hitting the limiter on the shift. And by the time the clutch pedal is coming up, the throttle is down to the floor or near it. I still think "1,2". The 1: is a)clutch in b) shift into gear c) off the gas a little, and the 2: a) full throttle b) clutch up. AND, don't hold the clutch pedal down. Punch it. The shift shouldn't take any longer than it takes for you to slam the clutch pedal to the floor and have it bounce back up. When racing the shift should sound like a single hit, and not seperate events. Make sense?

Practice slow, and build speed (sitting in your driveway).

Don't speed shift on the street or in daily driving. Shift slow unless you are racing. You wouldn't want to wear out your syncros, but some may say who cares and just let the dealership replace them. I don't leave anything up to the dealerships so I'm careful with my syncros.

On "double-clutching": this is NOT some bs term as some say since they heard it in a widely-dissed movie.
There are two definitions of "double-clutching", both related by the fact that they involve the clutch hitting the floor twice within a certain time span, but the applications are very different.
The first is used by truckers when they shift. They press down on the clutch, and bring the shifter to neutral position, and then lift up on the clutch. Then they press the clutch in, and throw the shift lever into gear, and then lift off the clutch and then go on the gas. That's breaking it down, but of course they combine a lot steps into simultaneous actions and do it very quickly out of habit.
The second application is what I've learned from street racers/professional mechanics: As the rpms are going up approaching redline (maybe 2000-2500 rpms before) they punch the clutch going full throttle, and then at redline they shift normally (speed shift as above). The first punch pulls the car forward possibly in front of your opponent in a close race. It's like dumping the clutch when you launch from high rpms.
In FnF when they were showing the feet shifting during that long street race, I don't think I remember seeing any double-clutching. and I don't care to watch it again to check lol.

and it helps immensely to have a short-shifter.
and again: practice, practice, and more practice.
it does take a lot reflexes and coordination but if you could beat pretty much any video game out there since you were a little kid, then you should be fine.

just be careful where you practice, because this is not a video game, right you know that.

you will if you open up your tranny. remember that thread??? hahaha...

it's different, but yes it is a clutch.

if you want to hear what perfect shifting sounds like, PM Lucky_317 for the link to his vids. There's also other Celica friends in his vids shifting perfectly too. Each shift sounds like one action (much faster than you can say Sayonara Syncros Senor).

well from wat you said ... u'd recommend speed-shift (2 actions) rather than double clutch ? or is double clutch EVEN FASTER but way harder ? for the non-trucker one

I personally don't double-clutch on my GTS since lift runs to redline so fast. I just speed-shift thinking "1-2". You can double clutch but it's a bit harsh on your clutch (good to have a race clutch), and I don't do it b/c my GTS doesn't need it, but in a close race it could make the difference. If I were driving a Honda on the other hand with just VTEC...yeah.

and yes it is quite hard (non-trucker) to do on a GTS. Sure you might get a few more feet on your opponent, but you also might mess up. It all happens very fast. The rpms rise to about 6k, you punch clutch, the rpms rise even faster to redline(or fuel-cut your choice) and you have to punch again right on time.
It's do-able, but I just concentrate on doing a good speedshift which takes enough focus and timing.

Ok, Obviously...NO ONE KNOWS WHAT DOUBLE CLUTCHING ACTUALLY IS!!!!

You will NEVER use a double clutch while drag racing...EVER.

Double Clutches are primarily used on road tracks or Auto X courses where you need to maintain speed into a turn and you don't want to miss your rpm match (Rev Match).
When you are hauling ass and you are getting ready for a turn you brake and clutch, shift into neutral, rev match with heel-toe, clutch again, and shift into the lower gear to accelerate out of the turn. This keeps your gearing at the right speed so there is no tire slip caused by the locking of your front or rear wheels...depends on your drivetrain.

If I hear anymore nonsense on double clutching in a strait line... Oh, and on a side note, any trucker I have ever talked to (Especially when 90% of my extended family is truckers) say that they don't even use the clutch except to start in first gear. They just shift with the rev match.

Actually that was a flywheel, but lets not go there.

thanks to all the people who said something that made since and awnsered me like a true racer...not someone who tries to be funny...i laughed at your jokes..seriously...

There are two clutches??? I'm lost now and maybe I shouldn't race. Racing on the streets is a big no-no and if this is Auto-X or a track you wouldn't be asking. Forgive my ignorance and get a beater car to obviously beat up on before your Celica. Please.

You know, just looking at this thread... I can see where some people would think that the members of Ecelcia are assholes. He was asking a question and some of you buttwipes just made a bunch of dumbass jokes that no one gets because you are post whores.

I apologize if my post came accross like an asshole typed it. That was not my intention. But, I have just seen so many misconceptions about double clutching...ARGGHHH!!!!

People post and I give an opinion. I've heard some by you also. I'm no post whore by the way. Most of my posts are made in the Custom Mods or General discussion. How many here can beat that if we are talking shit about posts. This guy/girl will be better off listening to me than someone telling them how to shift so they can race and either kill themselves, kill somebody else, or wreck their car or someone else's. I play it easy and make fun without being a complete asshole.
Read the post again and teach this person how to drive over the internet. He/she might listen and drive into an oblivion.
I was just stating a fact that a beater car might be more useful to learn in than a Celica. Live with it.

wow so much fighting , if you cant do it dont try, you will end up fucking up ur tranni, learn in a beat up car not ur celica

There is the dictionary definition of "double-clutching" and then there is the colloquial use of the term "double-clutching." The action I described for the colloquial use is described and used in such a manner on the streets. You can say they are wrong to call it that, but that's what they call it. Take a college course in Linguistics and you might learn something.

I did not say you cannot do the dictionary definition of "double-clutching" on a car. Yes you can for normal driving or autox or roadracing. But it is not necessary on modern cars because of syncros. If you want to talk autox or road-racing, just hit your rev match and do it with "heel-toe" technique.

Yes, truckers who log so many miles do become "clutch masters" and learn to shift without the clutch most likely because they don't want to double-clutch (just like bored people driving cars, see Haulin_A_Doo's "How to drive a standard without using the clutch"). Yes it could be that experienced truckers drive without using the clutch, but most of them had to learn to drive their non-syncroed truck using "double-clutching" unless they already knew how to drive without the clutch on a car.

Here is a press release from a truck driving school that developed a simulator to teach among other things, double clutching.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/11/prweb90347.php

Anyone who uses the colloquial use of the word "Double-Clutch" is an idiot. Is that like Ebonics? I mean comon. Either you double clutch or you don't. Furthermore, even a syncro needs help matching revs. Try shifting down to shift while going 20 mph without rev-matching. Virtually impossible...unless you just FORCE it in. Also, there is no way that even the colloquial use of the term double clutch used on the "Steets" would make you go faster in a strait line.
QTRMLR_1, I would think that you, a person that is developing there car for drag racing, would understand that hitting the clutch twice just robbs you of speed. I said it once and I will say it again... It is USELESS to double clutch while drag racing.

Oh and...
"Take a college course in Linguistics and you might learn something."

I am SOOOO sure that they taught you what the colloquial meaning of Double Clutching is in Linguistics class...

EDIT: GO TO COLLEGE!
If you did, either it sucked or you half-assed your way through.

Either you can't read or can't think:
I did not say not to rev-match. I did not say I double-clutch or that I would on my GTS. You're plain wrong that it can't help some cars/drivers get better times in the qtr.

it's easy to spot who the close-minded, racist people are, and you're one of them.

By bringing up Ebonics you confused syntax with our discussion of semantics.

The term double-clutch may be used by some to describe an action they are familiar with, unaware that another definition exists. It may not be they are incorrectly using a word they have heard of, that is used by others in a different way: In fact, they may be aware of the other definition, but choose to use for convenience that term which has meaning for them.

Besides: If it's used colloquially then it has meaning. Plain and simple. There are colloquial uses of some words in the dictionary (note the "colloq." abbreviation in some dictionaries).

Why would you double clutch on an upshift?

stop fighting its fucking stupid

QTRMLR_1 likes to argue...

Now what does this have to do with college? Anything at all? For your information, I did go to college...but only for 2 years. I plan to go back. I belive that a college education is VERY important. On the other hand, I am in a job right now where I clear 50k a year. However, I have no idea how this relates to Double Clutching.
Furthermore, I am NOT racist. I am the biggest Mutt this world has ever seen. The only reason I brought up Ebonics is because that is a "Street" Langauge. I think it is wrong for you to teach members the colloquial use of the word (or term), when there is a CLEAR ACTUAL DEFINITION! You are just influencing rice is it's purest form...Quotes from the movie F&F.

If you can prove to me at ALL that clutching twice while drag racing can improve your 1/4 mile time... I will graciously admit that I was wrong. Until then...Learn how to drive.

you got that right!

Rocketman, Rocketman...I did teach the actual definition as well as the colloq. scroll up...

Come meet me in L.A. if you should ever vacation here or be on business here with your car. Find out if I know how to drive.

clutch in remove from first into neutral.
depress clutch
press clutch again and put into second gear
release clutch
there now you just double clutched.

^^^ with the celica's snycros you might need to do this

And how does that make you go faster? Hmmmmm

Hey man, I have no hard feelings or anything like that. This just got way outta hand. I honestly still don't see the actual "Track Racing Version" of Double clutching in your first post which was what I was talking about. I see the Truck driving version and the "colloquial" version, but nothing else. I actually might be comming down to Cali for spring break. What part of Cali are you from? I have no idea if I will be bringing my car though... To many damn rock chips. I would be happy to race you at the strip if I do bring may car. I honestly don't know how fair of a race it would be. I will probably have F/I by then...

Im with rocketman on this one. Double clutching in a straight line 1/4 mile will not improve your time. The term was just misused in FNF thats all. Like you guys said the only time double clutching actually improves performance is autox or track racing.