Celica Forums General Discussion Engine and Performance nitrous in a GTS

i have a gts 2002 and since income tax is coming soon and i cant get the hood i want, i am going to get nitrous-(i am leaning towards zex nitrous) keep in mind i am a beginner with nitrous so i want a simple nitrous system i am thinking of putting it inbetween my back seats but the only doubt i hav about that is cops and whether or not that will cause some bad attenion and if its illegal in pa i dont know-if you could give me a few ideas on where to put it and what a good system is that would be great i think im gonna want to keep it at a 50 shot to be somewhat safe thanks in advance

zex wet system trunk

how much is a zex wet system? approx. how much would a wet install cost because i know i could prolly install a dry system but wet is a lot different

what is the difference really between wet and dry as far as hp is concerned?

well I know for a fact in minnesota having nitrous is not illegal, cause I got caught driving DAS and they searched my car and the cop found the nitrouse hooked up in the trunk but didnt give me a ticket or anything for it. The only thing he asked about it was if I used it to try to get away from him, I would of but unfortuanley I had all the switches for it disconnected for it at that time, but the bottle was full and Open.

Rumor is that we can only do a wet system on are cars?

wow i didnt know dry was not an option

^^^I think you can use dry if you are going the direct injection way.

i was under the impression that dry was tapped into the cai

^^^Shit its been a while since I have dealt with nitrous, I am getting my self confused maybe dry does go into the intake i dont remember. oh well

thats cool i watched this show called horsepower tv that mostly deals with mucle cars but they did a civic onec and installed a dry zex system into the cai so thats why i thought dr goes there

my typing sucks dont mind me

saw the same episode, jsut hooked into the intake. also seen propane used int he same way on a desel

^^^which ever one it is I would recomend not getting direct Injection unless your engine is built up at least a little bit so it can handle the extra power.

WHOA Deisal cars use propane as a propellant I never heard of that, sound funny like their having a cook out for there engine.

my dads propane company has done converstions for cars so that they run off propane. Normally trucks so you can have another gas tank in the bed. Burns clean jsut aliuttle pricy.

nitrous is illegal and only for off-road use...everywhere.

Apparently it isnt in Minnesota.

really? any proof? this interesting...

Well I still have all 6 tickets from that night of over a year ago and it doesnt say anyting about nitrous.

that doesn't mean that they are leagal. it just means the cop was nice or ignorrant...lol

oh trust me he wanst a nice piggy he hit me with everything he could, that is why i got 6 tickets, he said He would of threw my ass in jail if he could of proved that i was runnin from him but he couldnt so ha.

i think legal to have if on the way to a race track and is never legal tp use on public rd -but waht system should i get???????????

then he was ignorant...surprise surprise...i got pulled over for a trd exhaust which is 50-state legal. cops don't kow the indricacies of the law. just the general staements...

I would go with NOS cause I am old school like that, but ZEX makes Awsome kits that are really advanced.

Sure maybe but if Nitrous is so Blatenly illeagal like everyone says it is then I think he would of given me a ticket for it. I am not defending that it is leagal or not I am just saying in my own experience that I was never given a Citation for it. And I am not lying about my story.

no, you were saying it was legal in your state. which i questioned...the validity of your story is of none of my interest

^^^I say it most likely leagal in minnesota becuase if my experience. Cause seriously if a cop could give a ticket for nitrouse i am sure he would of.

so i should get that from this series of quotes???:

Originally posted by ct:
nitrous is illegal and only for off-road use...everywhere.

Originally posted by importcarbabe:
Apparently it isnt in Minnesota.


the cop will only give you a ticket for laws he knows or half-knows. if he doesn't even know about N20 how can he ticket you for that?

Well he know what it was cause he asked me if i used it.

but does he know it's not legal? anyway, my point has come through, and unless you can come up with a guidline in minnesota air/ car modification law...this thread is moot.

thank you importbabe for actually trying to answer my original question that turned into whether nitrous is legal but for everyone else i really would like to know what your opinions are of a good n2o kit for our cars specifically a gts

ZEX

82021: wet system, $475
82010: purge kit, $100
82005: pressure gauge/manifold, $45
safety blow down kit, $29

total: $649

those are the prices from my local shop that i frequent. slightly higher prices can be found at www.impactparts.com [impactparts.com]

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Your welcome, i dont know what crawled up that other guys ass and died.

no problem

zex seems like the best option then i guess if no one has anything bad to say about it then thats my choice n20 here i come

i can't question what other people say? i was just trying to find out what was what. please display facts and leave personal opinions out of it. if you want to take it to that level i will.

now now

well i plainly only asked for facts and not assuptions. then when i questioned it she got salty...lol

oh well, what do you think a good n2o system is???

my first advice is not to go nitrous to begin with. if you want power go with something conitious like s/c or turbo...i dunno about other places but it costs 20 bucks just to refill one bottle here in cali.

but in my opinion if it was nitrous any system would do (NOS, Zex, Venom, etc...). get a wet set up with WOT switch and not some switch on your steering wheel or console.

here is a dyno of a auto gts with i/e with 50/75 shot.

the guy who dynoed had AEM CAI, Greddy EVO Exhaust, NX (0, 50,75 Shot) @ 212.9 whp 216.1 tq...with a turbo you can reach the same numbers @ 6psi and you don't have to fill up the bottle all the time.

wet system injects it into the cai right next the throttle body. Zex is very good because of its built in control box with constantly monitors the a/f to make sure everything is running sweet. you can expect a good 20second of use out of a 10lb bottle. You want purge because it looks cool and helps the system. Remote bottle opener so you don't have to goto the trunk. Gauges and crap adds up to around 800$, not bad for 50-75hp of fun.

Unless you can also prove that it is illegal in MN to posses nitrous in car than you are also wrong. so as it stands right now nobody is right or wrong. I was just posting my experience which is not a opinion but is a fact that I did not get a ticket for possesing something you say is illegal.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...you're in minnesota. you're suppposed to know. am I supposed to do that research for you? there have been numerous articles that using nitrous oxide was only for off-road use, in magazine and even the liability section in some of the nitrous packages!

i was questioning you STATING that it was indeed legal in minnesota and not wether or not some cop gave you a ticket or not. that is irrelevant...would you want me to post your quote or can you find it yourself?

Back to the question of which Kit you should get.

It depends on how much of the operation you want to do yourself and how safe you want it to be.

From research that I have done, a 50 shot is a very safe amount to run on any engine. Also, many peoplehave jumped up to 75 without any major safe guards like timing retard and stronger internals.

Wet systems are nice because they spit extra fuel in with the N2O to keep the Air-Fuel mixture at the proper and optimal levels.

If you have a lot of self control then I think a 50 shot NOS system should be fine as a begining stage. But, if you think you might want to hold that little button down for longer than recommended then get a system that controls the spray for you.

Many companies make systems that only allow the N2O to be released at certain RPM's and throttle positions. Also, if you ever get the hunger for more, you can get Timing retard units that alters the firing of the spark plugs to help eliminate detonation.

Really it is what kind of money and gains you are looking for. N2O is a very safe and effective way for increasing horsepower. Alot of people blow cars up because they don't research what they are about to attempt, they also get greedy and run bigger jets than what is safe from their setup. Just do some homework and see what is best for you. I would suggest a NOS 50 shot system either wet or if you want to run a dry system then do a small amount of retarding to your timing because you have a lot of compression as is. Just be smart and you should be fine.

An auto gts with an intake and exhaust gets 154 horsepower? Is that to the wheels? Makes you question dynos and peak horspower numbers since the auto gt is WAY below that in horsepower and suppose to keep up or even beat the auto gts.

OMG...tell me you're joking.
first of all the whole auto Gt and auto GTS myth has been debunked.there was a race held by CaliGTS and the auto GT lost...BAD. a auto GT stock can run 17.1, a stock auto gts has run 16.9 (check msn.com)
second-it's a 2ZZ engine. it would react the same way any 2zz would react.gearing is why the auto gts can supposedly lose to the auto gt.
third-don't listen to everything you hear. guys over at N.C. are pure performance guys and frown at anything auto...again this myth has already been debunked.

my cuzins superwhite celi kaminari kit carbon fiber hood some other stuff and runs 50shot , recently hes bugging me to go race with him he probably filled it up his first time because its al ready and he just never filled it before... il prob get smoked

oh yea he runs dry

I agree with everything that you are saying but 0.2 seconds? Thats not that big of a difference for that 40 horsepower jump. Im just saying that horsepower number seems misleading.

I TOTALLY AGREE! that auto gts gearing is horrible...why toyota made a 4-speed auto with a high revving engine that hits lifts at 6200 and ends at 7800 is beyond me...

Alright I did some research and found it is illegal to have in a car, but there is a catch you can have it on a public road if the bottle is disconnected from the system. I am not sure what state this is for but I its probally the same for all states

http://www.superstreetonline.com/howto/41538/index2.html

bravo...thanks for the hard work

^^^1 point for me and none for you

how so? you just proved that nitrous was illegal...which was my point

^^^No my point was that it wasnt illegal to have it in a car which I proved it wasnt.

nitrous has always been illegal but there are technicalitys

comprehension > you

are we going to go over this agin...please re-read this post...carefully

flashback:

Originally posted by ct:
nitrous is illegal and only for off-road USE...everywhere.

Originally posted by importcarbabe:
Apparently it isnt in Minnesota.

Ok there are different ways to look at this, Yes Nitrous is illegal to use on public roads but not illegal to posses in a car which is prolly the reason I did not get a ticket for in MN. So this is right and wrong but it somewhat explains the reason me not getting a ticket for possesing it in my car. It is Obviously Illegal to use on public roads which I already knew, I was trying to come across that you can have it in a car which is proven now.

whatever im jus gettin zex with the purge kit and callin it a day

let us know how it turens out, pics and all. esp dino. goodluck bro. if my parents didnt own the car and whole warrenty thing wasnt there i woudl be getting it too. also that whoel $$ thing gets in the way Goodluck dragon.

$ is a prblem but this is waiting on income tax the only time i actully have money

lol well goodluck. let us all know how it turnes out.

Yeah good luck and get some pics of it when your done.

i will if i can ever get my pic phone to work right with my email

How easy is it to outrun a cop with nitrous?

...ct and import will you stop fucking fighting like 2nd graders? its the internet,your both ghey!

ok if you didn't notice its been days since anybody has posted anything, besides nobody was fighting we were both just trying prove a point. And last time I checked you don't spell "ghey" with a H so I guess that makes you the 2nd grader. So go back to school and learn how to spell.

shut up idiot...

^^^Exactly you tell him CT

i thought this was about nitrous???

actually its like pwned, ghey is uber gay, which your flaming posts back and forth were

damn it

i guess you'd know a lot about "uber gheyness"...

what does any of this have to do with n20???

I'm also looking at a ZEX kit. I would do a dry shot if I knew it would work with our cars and was safe, but ZEX doesn't list a dry kit as being compatible--they only show the wet kit. NX doesn't even make dry kits, because they are convinced wet is better, so at this point if I do install nitrous, I imagine I'll go with the wet shot.

As far as the legality of nitrous, the link posted earlier was informal comments specifically related to California. The rule seems to be that anything that is not explicity approved via CARB/DOT approval is not legal. Therefore, the exact same product (header, for example) can be legal from one company (DC Sports) and illegal from another company (Hotshot). It doesn't appear that many companies have tried to get a rubber stamp on their nitrous kits, so technically they are for "off road" use only. However...

"Q: Does NOS manufacture 50-state legal nitrous systems?
A: Yes. In fact, NOS has several EO numbers for various kits such as the 5.0L Mustang and 305/350 GM V8's, etc. In addition, there is no need to remove any smog equipment when installing an NOS system. For more information call the NOS tech line." (from www.holley.com [holley.com])

This would appear to indicate that it's not necessarily illegal to use nitrous on the street, but the laws may still vary by state.

you sure? does he run dry or did he just set up the dry? You may win if he blows his engine, because celicas with no fuel return line are supposed to run wet.

if a person is worried about the law that the bottle must be disconnected AND wants to run nitrous on the street for "testing" purposes, THEN the solution is clear:

Have a fake disconnected bottle in plain sight AND a real connected bottle that is hidden, for example in a subwoofer box or in the spare tire recess.

or you can just hide the bottle very well and claim no bottle is in the car, and have empty brackets for the missing bottle.

btw, if a cop knows what he is doing (SD cops are going to school for this) he will know to look around the intake for a nitrous nozzle, as well as a EO Carb # of course. So considering this you better have your real bottle hidden.

thanks for the info we do have to run wet no dry for us