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yea, its the 3sgte. It's easily the best celica out there for this generation. If the body kit wasn't so ugly it would be awsome. but i mean 500hp and awd in our cars would be sweet. So it is possible to do a 3sgte swap. You just need some money.

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Originally Posted by hephaestus
I believe the 2ZZ is capable of producing a streetable 260+ NA to the wheels. I have said this many times. I also believe and know for a fact from years ago that the 2ZZ is capable of producing 500 HP turboed without lift of course. It might not be streetable. I figure some of the left over parts from that, a bump in displacement and compression, and along with the other things whether minor or not will add up to that number and more. This all comes from TRD USA. They know everything about head flow, port and polish, cams, titanium engine parts, etc... They built the damn thing and wasn't good enough (turbo engine). It's possible if you have some money. Just for starters if I remember $8,000 for the titanium H beam connecting rods.
If you have the money you can push mor HP than most of the turbo kits for the Celica out there. Of course not on pump gas, mind you.

The "14hp gain from the TRD exhaust" also came straight from TRD USA.

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Originally Posted by 00celica00gt
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yea, its the 3sgte. It's easily the best celica out there for this generation. If the body kit wasn't so ugly it would be awsome. but i mean 500hp and awd in our cars would be sweet. So it is possible to do a 3sgte swap. You just need some money.

wasnt that thing having probs with the tranny?

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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
it's actually around $4k for the ti con rods. and you have it a bit backwards about the lift. the eliminated the middle lobe so that there was only lift. I also don't recall ever hearing that they made 260 whp. Also the 500 whp ultimate celica was actually done with a 3sgte I think.

got any links to where you found your info???
I don't have any links. The information comes from the the original Celica engine that was going to be used instead of the Tundra engine for drag racing. I had seen some info on it years ago and never since.

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Originally Posted by silver
Originally Posted by hephaestus
I believe the 2ZZ is capable of producing a streetable 260+ NA to the wheels. I have said this many times. I also believe and know for a fact from years ago that the 2ZZ is capable of producing 500 HP turboed without lift of course. It might not be streetable. I figure some of the left over parts from that, a bump in displacement and compression, and along with the other things whether minor or not will add up to that number and more. This all comes from TRD USA. They know everything about head flow, port and polish, cams, titanium engine parts, etc... They built the damn thing and wasn't good enough (turbo engine). It's possible if you have some money. Just for starters if I remember $8,000 for the titanium H beam connecting rods.
If you have the money you can push mor HP than most of the turbo kits for the Celica out there. Of course not on pump gas, mind you.

The "14hp gain from the TRD exhaust" also came straight from TRD USA.

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TRD makes and exhaust that makes 14whp???!! rofl

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thats the 3sgte swapped in to the 7th gen. IMO the badest 7thgen will be done soon. I say this cause it'll have around the same whp #'s only it will be using the 2ZZ and not a swap. that is way cooler IMO. thumbsup


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Originally Posted by ct
Originally Posted by silver
Originally Posted by hephaestus
I believe the 2ZZ is capable of producing a streetable 260+ NA to the wheels. I have said this many times. I also believe and know for a fact from years ago that the 2ZZ is capable of producing 500 HP turboed without lift of course. It might not be streetable. I figure some of the left over parts from that, a bump in displacement and compression, and along with the other things whether minor or not will add up to that number and more. This all comes from TRD USA. They know everything about head flow, port and polish, cams, titanium engine parts, etc... They built the damn thing and wasn't good enough (turbo engine). It's possible if you have some money. Just for starters if I remember $8,000 for the titanium H beam connecting rods.
If you have the money you can push mor HP than most of the turbo kits for the Celica out there. Of course not on pump gas, mind you.

The "14hp gain from the TRD exhaust" also came straight from TRD USA.

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TRD makes and exhaust that makes 14whp???!! rofl

ahh...yeah. On the GTS at a specific rpm it gains 14 whp. Just like almost every other manufacture that claims how much horsepower they make.


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Originally Posted by SLVCELI
Originally Posted by ct
Originally Posted by silver
Originally Posted by hephaestus
I believe the 2ZZ is capable of producing a streetable 260+ NA to the wheels. I have said this many times. I also believe and know for a fact from years ago that the 2ZZ is capable of producing 500 HP turboed without lift of course. It might not be streetable. I figure some of the left over parts from that, a bump in displacement and compression, and along with the other things whether minor or not will add up to that number and more. This all comes from TRD USA. They know everything about head flow, port and polish, cams, titanium engine parts, etc... They built the damn thing and wasn't good enough (turbo engine). It's possible if you have some money. Just for starters if I remember $8,000 for the titanium H beam connecting rods.
If you have the money you can push mor HP than most of the turbo kits for the Celica out there. Of course not on pump gas, mind you.

The "14hp gain from the TRD exhaust" also came straight from TRD USA.

wink

TRD makes and exhaust that makes 14whp???!! rofl

ahh...yeah. On the GTS at a specific rpm it gains 14 whp. Just like almost every other manufacture that claims how much horsepower they make.

please point out the 14whp gain in this dyno...
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That dyno is so small I cant make it out. I would assume at lift on the GTS is where they got that number. They are probably saying 12 whp. Is that TRD's dyno?


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I was just pointing out that he was not totally wrong because TRD did in fact say that thats how much they gained. Regardless that gain is only at a specific rpm and the top end number will not be nearly as big of a gain as is seen in that dyno. Everyone already expressed this fact though.


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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
thats the 3sgte swapped in to the 7th gen. IMO the badest 7thgen will be done soon. I say this cause it'll have around the same whp #'s only it will be using the 2ZZ and not a swap. that is way cooler IMO. thumbsup

that would be sick thumbsup

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Originally Posted by SLVCELI
ahh...yeah. On the GTS at a specific rpm it gains 14 whp. Just like almost every other manufacture that claims how much horsepower they make.

if thats the case, I should claim 32 WHP.


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Originally Posted by Easy_C
Originally Posted by SLVCELI
ahh...yeah. On the GTS at a specific rpm it gains 14 whp. Just like almost every other manufacture that claims how much horsepower they make.

if thats the case, I should claim 32 WHP.

How did I know you would say that. A max gain of 32 whp @ blank rpm. Yes that is a good way to sell it. thumbsup


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This is how TRD does the SC:
Power Specifications:
- Peak torque is 145 lb.-ft. supercharged @ 4000 RPM
- vs. 125 lb.-ft. stock at 4200 RPM.
- Peak horsepower is 166 HP supercharged @ 6800 RPM
- vs. 130 HP @ 6000 RPM.
- Maximum HP gain @ 6750 RPM = +40HP
- Maximum torque gain @ 4000 RPM = +38 ft.lb.

I would advertise it like this but make sure your results are repeatable. As in dont just dyno in the day when its really hot and then dyno at night when its cool. This product is riding on the reputation that celica owners put on it. thumbsup


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you arent gonna get 200 to the wheels without high comp pisons... you might get around 195 with a really agressive map... but thats no good for daily driving.

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Originally Posted by ShiZZmAhH
Originally Posted by Lucky_317
thats the 3sgte swapped in to the 7th gen. IMO the badest 7thgen will be done soon. I say this cause it'll have around the same whp #'s only it will be using the 2ZZ and not a swap. that is way cooler IMO. thumbsup

that would be sick thumbsup

well the only hold up is the tranny rom c2gas. but yes it IS sick smile the engie is already built. thumbsup


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u can get over 200 hp just by spending $200.. buy a ps2 $150 and buy NEED FOR SPEED UNDERGROUND 2 $50 rofl rofl


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Originally Posted by ct
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Originally Posted by hephaestus
I believe the 2ZZ is capable of producing a streetable 260+ NA to the wheels. I have said this many times. I also believe and know for a fact from years ago that the 2ZZ is capable of producing 500 HP turboed without lift of course. It might not be streetable. I figure some of the left over parts from that, a bump in displacement and compression, and along with the other things whether minor or not will add up to that number and more. This all comes from TRD USA. They know everything about head flow, port and polish, cams, titanium engine parts, etc... They built the damn thing and wasn't good enough (turbo engine). It's possible if you have some money. Just for starters if I remember $8,000 for the titanium H beam connecting rods.
If you have the money you can push mor HP than most of the turbo kits for the Celica out there. Of course not on pump gas, mind you.

The "14hp gain from the TRD exhaust" also came straight from TRD USA.

wink

TRD makes and exhaust that makes 14whp???!! rofl

Uh huh. But the 14hp version is only for people who believe that "gullable" isn't in the dictionary.

http://www.toyotaparts4u.com/trd_celica.htm

"TRD offers a variety of suspension components and high performance sport parts that take advantage of the new Celica's unique styling and bold design.

TRD's suspension set is comprised of front and rear sway bars and bushings, shocks, struts, upper strut mount reinforcements and springs. The parts are engineered to work together for optimal performance and designed to improve handling, cornering and straight-line stability. A rear strut brace is available separately.

Optional accessories for the Celica are also available, like a high-flow stainless steel exhaust providing an additional 14 horsepower! See the table below and our parts catalog for details."

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I am hoping to be in this range. Here are my mods:

TPR Intake (No fins)
DC Header
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I'll have numbers in about a month, what do you guys think.

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why did you get the 12:1 pistoms unless you're planning on going FI?

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Originally Posted by LamarVannoy
I am hoping to be in this range. Here are my mods:

TPR Intake (No fins)
DC Header
TRD Exhaust
Wisco 12:1
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I'll have numbers in about a month, what do you guys think.

Do not get the ordenary crower rods. Go for the costum titanium Crower rods. They are more expensive but worth if you stay N/A (even good for F/I).
Also if you would get the internals, get the MWR valve springs as well.
This setup would be able to rev up to 10k rpm!!! Whicj could really put you in the 200whp area.
Anything that makes the moving weights lighter in the engine, helps a lot.
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Custom 4340 steel billet rods run $177 per rod. Billet titanium rods run $465.75 per rod. Allow 10-12 weeks for delivery (50% deposit required).

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^^ N/A I don't think he'll have sufficient power with those mods to be worth revin to 10K. 9K should be ok. but I think there would be too much power loss by 10K. but I havent seen a dyno with the raised compression yte so maybe it'll help enough smile

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why did you get the 12:1 pistoms unless you're planning on going FI?

SSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH! you have it backwards young grasshopper.

I would like to know why you went 12:1 instead of 12.5:1 ?

let us know when you dyno it cause I'd really like to see how the graph comes out.


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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
^^ N/A I don't think he'll have sufficient power with those mods to be worth revin to 10K. 9K should be ok. but I think there would be too much power loss by 10K. but I havent seen a dyno with the raised compression yte so maybe it'll help enough smile

Originally Posted by spaztikid
why did you get the 12:1 pistoms unless you're planning on going FI?

SSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH! you have it backwards young grasshopper.

I would like to know why you went 12:1 instead of 12.5:1 ?

let us know when you dyno it cause I'd really like to see how the graph comes out.

im guessing he was worried about daily driveability, 12.5 is pushing it, for a daily driver on piss poor 91, if he can get 94 or higher it wouldn't be as bad.


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how much HP would just adding the higher comp pistons and rods add? and wouldn't it be a hell of a lot cheaper to go FI than N/A? since for 3-5k you can get almost another 50-100bhp.

PS aren't most of those HP figures for bolt on engine upgrades BHP not WHP? like the injen short ram is supposed to give you like 8 or 9hp but to the wheels it only gives you 4-5hp.

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Originally Posted by Illusive
im guessing he was worried about daily driveability, 12.5 is pushing it, for a daily driver on piss poor 91, if he can get 94 or higher it wouldn't be as bad.

I wouldnt think that would be too much of an issue? He does have the power FC.


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Originally Posted by celicatuner
how much HP would just adding the higher comp pistons and rods add? and wouldn't it be a hell of a lot cheaper to go FI than N/A? since for 3-5k you can get almost another 50-100bhp.

PS aren't most of those HP figures for bolt on engine upgrades BHP not WHP? like the injen short ram is supposed to give you like 8 or 9hp but to the wheels it only gives you 4-5hp.

Rods wont add any hp, they just strengthen the engine. High compression pistons will add lil hp by themselves, with a good tune, they will add a lil more. Obviously its a hell of a lot cheaper to go F/I than N/A.

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easiest and prob the best way to get more hp..get a new car...mods are so fricken expensive...gas is xpensive..and i can barely afford to keep gas in it as is..if ur going for lower..hope you got a really deep pocket

thats my $.02


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I got the pistons and rods because I spun a couple bearings and had to rebuild anyway. I went w/ 12:1 because I want to run on pump gas, have 92/93 here, and that is what MWR stocks. I would have had to wait for anything higher to be made. I do not have any plans for FI, that is why I went up in compression. I did not do anything to the valvetrain because the cam dies off at 9k, and the oil pump at 9500 or so. I don't plan on reving past 8700. Also, I bearly have the money for this so more expensive TI rods was out of the question, would have had to wait for production too.

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Originally Posted by LamarVannoy
I got the pistons and rods because I spun a couple bearings and had to rebuild anyway. I went w/ 12:1 because I want to run on pump gas, have 92/93 here, and that is what MWR stocks. I would have had to wait for anything higher to be made. I do not have any plans for FI, that is why I went up in compression. I did not do anything to the valvetrain because the cam dies off at 9k, and the oil pump at 9500 or so. I don't plan on reving past 8700. Also, I bearly have the money for this so more expensive TI rods was out of the question, would have had to wait for production too.

sucks that you had to scramble it all together, but should be very reliable after.


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No you are wrong about the 3sgte.
That might be it for that AWD beast, but not for the car I'm talking about. That is the 2ZZ I'm speaking of and I'm 100% on that to give you my own Celica up.
You people might make fun and scoff, but you didn't see the specs including the work that went into it on it or don't realize for a lack of knowledge or experience. It has and will be done in the future and 250, 260+ WHP NA isn't far off. Most here are wrong or don't want to admit it that it's very possible.
14HP gain from a TRD exhaust, that's amazing!!!! What do you take me for an idiot like you.

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Holy hell are we still talking about this. And what are you guys still talking about the TRD exhaust? This is the first time I have not understood what you guys are talkind about unless you just didnt read my post about how the trd exhaust gains that horsepower at a specific rpm. I could understand if we were talking about the tornado people or something but this is TRD. I am missing something because what would be the purpose of providing a false claim from TRD. So someone please explain to me what is so hard to believe about the horsepower the TRD exhaust gains at one second in time.


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eat a bunch of twinkies and jalapenos and fart in a bottle. Tap a line into your intake that connects to your twinkie pepper gas and mount an arming switch so when you hit the switch you release a super explosive shot of twinkie fart into you car to produce a split second of 55hp gain.


cant say ive done that before... ahh crap

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lollol did you try that befor??? rofl rofl


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LMAO cry Our poor car.

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