Celica Forums General Discussion General Drifting

I have been having the biggest debate with my friends on whether or not a FWD car can truly drift or not. Can someone clear this up for me quick, and explain in detail why you can or can not. Money Is on the line!!!!

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anyone?

technicaly you can't drift in a fwd car since drifting is breaking loose of the rear end by spinning your wheels. although you can power slide [puling e brake] in a fwd car while doing a turn will break the rear end loose...thast all i got. somone may clarify it sommore.

I thought drifting was just that...drifting. You're rear wheels are SLIDING around the turn. I believe it's a serious case of oversteer. When you're spinning the ass around (RWD), then it's called something else. You don't have to always pull the e brake to get it to slide.

you can't truly drift a FWD car since after you initiate the drift there's no way you can keep control of it, so in essence you're just sliding. there's a difference between power slide and drift. RWD cars can break loose and hold the drift as long as they want.

front wheel drive is good too. good control because the powered wheels arent out of control

You can "drift" a FWD car, but really it's pointless and kind of stupid, even using a little bit of oversteer in certain conditions has a purpose, but not really in an FF car, Formula D has a civic that does decent, but really the whole idea is kind of . Unless your FF car is specifically tuned for drift, and can make a shit load of power (at least 280 whp I'd say) don't try it. It also depends on where you plan to do it.

Wow that was the stupidest comment I have heard in awhile.

cant drift in fwd, but you can slide

Might be able to drift in reverse

I was reading this link and they say that drifting can only be done in a rear wheel drive car. Well i have entered a 40mph turn at 90 and continued to accel to 110. What i did may not be considered drifting but my rear tires were outside and i did not use the E brake. I held the "drift" for a few seconds before i spun out at the last sec.

Exactly. All you did was enter a turn to fast and spin out of control

u can drift in a FWD car if you pull the ebrake *kids don't try this at home* try it in a parking lot... pretty fun

it's not technically drifting. ou can power slide a FWD car very well with the right setup and have a ghetto drift. but it's not drifting.

having no weight n the rear of the car, over inflated rear tires and a stiff rear supension would enable you to oversteer like no tomorrow. but that's not drifting

if you had your money on the FWD Drift then you just lost sorry.

screw you mikey lol... It's close enough to 'drifting' to me

it all depends on how loose of a definition of "drift" you have. true, with FWD you can't power-oversteer like with RWD. to me, drifting is just sliding through a turn. by my definition, can an FF car drift well? no. but can it do it? yes. the two different types of cars do it in different ways. while an FF car powerslides with the e-brake, an FR car induces the slide by forcing oversteer with excessive rear-wheel power.

Correct me if Im wrong, but I watched a show on D1 drifting and they said that the Ebrake is essential to getting the rear of the car to come out in the first few moments of the slide. After that the over powering of the rear wheels takes control

that sounds about right

exactly you need to use the Rear wheels to control the slide, even then there are other ways to drift such as a clutch-kick, not just e-brake.

no you cant...

and that retard with the civic doesnt count.

Actually drifting started in normal track races as a way to keep a high psi on the turbo while completing a turn. If normal traction is kept into a turn, the psi on the turbo will fall and you will have turbo lag coming out of the turn. By letting the wheels slip a bit, kicking out the rear of the car to keep that loss of traction and still maintaning control... the rpm's stay higher, which keeps the psi higher, and keeps you in a better position the exit the turn with a lot of power. Competition drift has now taken that concept and turned it into a huge (damn cool! ) racing event!!!!! so technically a fwd cannot drift because the drive wheels are not breaking loose so that you are keeping a high psi on the turbo. sorry for the lost money bro. research before you bet!

hope that helped to clear things up

Thanx for the input guys I bet that FWD cars cant drift. Thought I won the money but then my friend showed me these sites. Any rebutles are definatley wellcome

http://www.driftsession.com/faqs/faqs.htm

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/ISEO-rgbtcspd/reviews/20031028/grand_prix.html?page=3

so a power slide in actauality is a drift from what these sites are saying

I guess. But like another member said befor "It depends on how loose your deffiniton of drifting is"

Bottom line no one gets money

its not driftin in a fwd its ass draggin sry

You can /appear/ to drift in a FWD car

Some guys can hold the same lines in FWD as the RWD drifters are, they're just using a different method (sliding tires instead of spinning).

a drift is lsiding through thw corners to keep ur rpms up and keep speed so powersliding and drift are the same just a powerslide is a fwd way of going about it and if a rally car a awd can slide around in the woods somewhere and be a drift a powerslide can be to

answer me this... how is pulling the e brake keeping your revs up?

FWD don't drift. SImple as that. Hop in a vette, pull up the e-brake, and you can throttle turn your car around. Try it in a FWD.

u can only power slide in a FWD, not drift... but check this vid out

This thread is more than two months old, frozenphoenix, did you just sift through every thread and find this?

you cant drift with a FWD. imposible. why do you ask. well to drift, the first thing that you need is RWD. that is prolly the most important thing. a drift is controlled conering with a rwd or awd(kinda)

theres tons of drifting styles.

FF isn't truely concidered drifting but like others said more power sliding, since your controlling the drift with the ebrake. I'd say FF drifting would be the toughest to master since your constantly on/off the ebrake to maintain the slide.

you cant really apply the techinques of rwd drifting that have become so accepted to fwd so I think thats why people try to rule it out.

rwd drifts can be initiatied by throttle oversteer, (mashing the gas just past the apex to induce oversteer)
poping the clutch(which causes the rear wheels to lock and causes the loss of traction)
throttle off (letting off the throttle at corner entry with the right amt of weight transfer can initiate drift)
breaking drift (applying the correct amount of breaking to shift the weight forward and allow the rear to swing around)
the good ole ebrake(heavy understeer cars can be drifted -much like ff- by using the ebrake to get the rear loose at corner entry.

Is a Z RWD?

is this the next episode of the miyth busters or what?

he..he..id like to see those nerds attempt a drift...but dont get me wrong, theyre really smart and i dont hate hem, but theyre nerds..can you imagine them drifting?

They would have training wheels like the size of wagon wheels

lol myth busters is pretty funny, and drifting is a lot easyer in a rwd than ff so i would think that means more skill. i havent really tried drifting in a fwd is it almost the same as ff or more like rwd, or more like awd?

^^ did anyone watch the vid i posted? i wanna c a celica tuned to do that

must b goin through tires like a mofo tho

Whats a FF? Also Z's can drift right? Isn't a bit bulky though if it can?

what you can tell your friend is that there are sites that prove and disprove everything, so since two sites says ass dragging is drifting it discredits thousands of others that says its not?

bottom line...drifting is maintaining control while in essence "out of control" it's initiating a sequencial state of loose traction...if you can get a FF to pendulum left to right 5 time without gaining traction then i've been proven wrong...but don't count on me holding my breathe

FF means the engine is front mounted and front wheel drive, some cars are FR front mounted engine a rear wheel drive and others are MR where the engine is in the middle and rear wheel drive...oh and yes you can drift a Z many have done it...actually its easier than you might think...but perfecting drift it hard.

hope that helps

Anyone got vids of Z's drifting, I've searched but all I get are sites with expired pages

Uh yeah man theres a Z on the D1 Roster.