Celica Forums General Discussion Engine and Performance Turbo Help

im planning on putting a turbo on my celica and was thinking on putting a TD05H 16G turbo from an eclipse. has anyone done this before on their car?

C2 Gas and Blitz are the main ones everyone talks about.. so i would stick with them...

the mitsu 16g is a good choice for starting out, later on down the line i would up it to a 20g if you want big numbers at the wheels. Many ppl have used the 16g for their custom turbo set-up

^ sucks when i know nothing about turbo's
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yea i was thinking of doing a custom turbo setup...but dont you think the 20g would be too much..haha

custom turbos are cool but only if you have the money. This is for 2 reasons: 1. Costs more to get everything custom made plus buying parts seperately.
2. Not every thing will go together so might waste money there plus all the seperate parts together haven't been tested so you are testing the turbo and that has a lot better chance of really screwing your engine up. Go with C2Power turbo, hands down

you'll save a lot of money plus it is realiable and you can make a lot of power with there turbo..just make sure you get the 550 injectors Thats my 2 cents

custom setups if done right are actually cheaper

i talked to the guys at XS engineering and they said that the other 3 companies that offer the turbo kit for the celica have problems with the manifold cracking. he also said that the people who are mad dogging the XS turbo kit are idiots who dont know what they are talking about. the price on the kit is a fat 5 grand but im pretty sure its worth it in the end...too bad they only have the GTS kit out right now...hopefully the GT model will come out my friends

How would he know if any other kits have problems with manifolds cracking...i'll let someone from c2power handle this

and custom turbos can be done cheaper? I heard otherwise but cool! but there is still a reliability issue if i am not mistaken (more so then ones already tested).

Well I am honest and we yes had some problems with some headers, but what happened is that we replaced them. this things 4 times happened becouse no turbo holder brackets were installed, or brackets were lost. Well the turbo is a heavy thing and it also moves and vibrates with the engine, so sooner or later any turbo can brake off from the manifold if there is no bracket. The question is more like if there is a mistake from the product side what is the reaction of the company. We think if someone wants to purcase a kit for 3-4-5g's all he wants beside the power is to feel safe, and not left alone with any questions or problems!!!! All companies and ppl make mistakes, but the reaction on them is the most important. Today I can say that beside 1(!!!! all of our costumers are happy.
(That costumer bought a mr2 dp from us and wanted to install on a 4wd celica, he had problems and wanted refund. We told him that we will full refund him if he sends the part back to us. He didnt, but he was still baging me. I refunded the price of the dp but not the shipping, and he still kept the product) and he is still not happy. I think I cannot help him, maybe a specialist could.)
Now I am not going to list what problems I heard about other companies and what reactions or costumer service... But it would just proof what I said before.

well c2gas...i have a question for you now. has the c2 kit been fixed and is it compatible with the engine on stock internals? i mean the XS kit comes with the super AFC...is there a regulator computer for the c2 kit and which is the better...XS or C2?

I have a 16g turbo on my custom setup. It works great, Buy it new and you'll get a warranty. I went custom and bought everything new plus exhaust, gauges, boost controller, turbo timer and what not, and still kept it under 3500 AFTER install. thats with 410cc injectors, greddy emanage, Log manifold that I could drop off a 20 storie building and not break it, and nice FMIC.

You are way misinformed about XS. For one their customer service is beyond horrible. Not everyones kits have cracking manifolds. Two, XS does nothing about fixing problems for their customers. If something happens basically they say screw you, what a way to treat someone who just spent $5k on your product. Third, they basically stopped selling kits for the celica. The last person that ordered one waited 8 months and still hadnt recieved it so he went with another company. Fourth it doesnt come with the SAFC, it comes with the PFC. Just wanted to clarify that. The C2 kit uses the greddy emanage for management.

Well we have the gt the gts kits done. We are to ship out 15!!! kits next week. We will also keep them on stock (as usually). As Johnsgt said we have the greddy e-manage as engine management unit. We have no problem with the apexi PFC, just it cost more. We can also sell the kit w/o engine management and ppl can buy the PFC or else.
Well to compare us to xs or sf or da is really not my task. Even I have my personal opinion, I am not going to say. All I know I try to make c2 the best!!

how much hp are you pumpin out wit a 16g turbo? if you dont have dyno, wat hp approximately?

The C2 kit for both GT and GTS if I am not mistaken can run safely up to 6psi with stock internals.


Gas...how much would the Stage 2 (with 550 injectors and bigger intercoolor and 3 inch down pipe you have)cost without the emanage?

Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a Senior in College. I am an Operations Management major going back this Fall for my Masters. Reading Gas' state is EXATLY what I have learned in what businesses should do!!! He will keep the customers! Product quality and everything that goes with that is important but something that a lot of businesses aren't doing is supporting those supposedly 'great quality' products by not haveing any customer service. C2Power and Gas on the otherhand have great products AND customer service. He didn't have to refund that guy and imo shouldn't have if he didn't send the product back. NOW that is really generous of C2Power to do that. Also, keeping the customer updated and helping them with the turbo is something that should be done and is obviously done by Gas and C2Power. I have asked many, many questions and they (mostly Gas) respond in pleasent form and quickly to them. When I get the money, I will be getting there turbo for the Celica and after I get my new job and make some really good money, i will definitly have them create a turbo for my Supra and 350z (after i buy them lol). C2Power has a customer here and a very, very loyal one. If i were all of you, create custom sure but defintely have C2Power do it or buy one of theirs!

so your saying the C2 kit is the best out on the market? what about the "rumors" that i heard from the XS guy about the manifold cracking? is this bullshit or is he the one bullshitting me? as for the 16g trubo from the eclipse...that was something that was recommended to me when i asked about a custom setup but the guy i talked to said that its a pretty big gain from the pinny vvti-l engines

btw...where is C2 originated in, how much does the kit cost approximately and how much is shipping to so cal?

i don't know much about the custom turbo but there one person on here has one and i believe he is Aerowilson182 and he posted above. Maybe the gains are good but he hasn't dynoed yet if i am not mistaken so he doesn't know.

Also, read some of the posts on the forums...others have mentioned about XS and how they have horrible service and don't care what happens after they sell the turbo. I have seen this happen to many people, including a few people that i know! (not xs but you understand what i mean)

Gas from C2 explained what happened. Then read my two other newest posts and you know why I am going to stay with them and think others should as well.

Hungary if i am not mistaken and go to www.c2power.com [c2power.com] They website is underconstruction just so you know so some pages are not up Ask Gas for exact prices because you can get it with or without the emanage (if you want to buy the Apexi PFC and Commander) and shipping is a set price if i am not mistaken and the price is pretty cheap. Also, the gains you can get for a GT can be up to 350-400 to be safe so it can still be a daily driver (not always up to that much)...think about how light our cars are with that hp. Gas has 350 whp if i am not mistaken and he said it isn't easy to control!! I plan on getting that right away but building up the psi before i go with that much whp! Plus, i have a Carbon Fiber hood and stuff so my car is a little lighter lol. So C2Power turbos pack a punch! if you want stage 1...expect about 210hp on internals at 6psi...but get internals with upgraded features as well for Stage 2 you can get approximatley 300whp safely

Also, read JohnsGT on here...states what others have sayed and more, ie waiting over 8 months and still never got their turbo! C2 is shipping 15 or so out in the next week or so and they have many in stock, both for GT and GTS. Also, custom turbos might be cheaper and seem reliable but you always have to remember, they have not (usually) been tested with all of the same components put together. That is a big factor! You don't want to run it for a year and then it dies on you (or some major part does). So many factors go into custom turbos that to me, ones that have been tested seem sooo much better to me.

would you expect the gains from the 16g to be higher, lower, or bout the same as the gt28r used in the c2 kit? also if i go with the 16g, i plan to beef up the internals and eventually go to a 20g, would that work out good?

i have no idea but remember, bigger the turbo, longer spool time. I don't know much about the 16g...the gt28r can handle up to 400 hp i believe and it spools fast. Have to wait for the dynos of Aerowilson182.

We have no idea what the 16g is making right now, its enought to overpower the stock clutch at about 4500 RPM every time. Hass is making about 240 on a similar setup, will my kit make more or less than that? I cant say, Ill let you guys know once I hit up the dyno.

how do you get the celica to 350whp with the C2 kit...thats absurd!

i have an auto so i dont really gotta be worrying about the tranny being overpowered (heard ppl pumpin like 260 at the wheels no prob) i do plan on upgrading torque converter though. im interested in the 16g because its somethin diff. everyone has the c2 kit and even though some ppl have the 16g, im still curious as to its potential and compatability with the 1zz. is the 16g bigger though? and even if spool time is a lil bit longer, it might produce enough power after spooling to make up for it. i plan to have my turbo kit before the end of the year so i want some insight. i also saw the kit for the mr-s which has a 1zz and its using a pe1225s (i believe). i think its a tiny turbo but im not sure. any posts will be great.

350 whp. BULLSHIT. 300-400 hp. I really dont believe it. Why has no one posted dyno numbers and dyno vids. Without that, all these numbers dont mean a thing. Would you guys really believe from a turbo kit you can go from 140 to 400 horsepower. THATS A 260 hp gain. If it were really that easy then everyone would have a turbo celica. Maybe on a built motor inside and out it would be easier to swallow.

But please its a 4 cylinder 1.8liter that isnt built putting out 400 hp? on 8psi? OKAY. thats hard to believe considering the supra is a 6 cylinder 3.0 liter pushing 10 psi and only making 320 hp. RIIIGHT... so some how a turbo is a 250%+ gain over stock.

Im putting a single turbo kit on my rx7 and i have a built motor and will be running around 350 whp on 12psi.

And XS-engineering is a great company, how would any of you guys know about their customer service, through word of mouth? Ive been to their shop and dealt with them directly. and they warranty and back up their shit. Okay c2gas is a good turbo kit but its still gonna run you 6,000 dont forget its sold in euros. And what happens when something fucks up. what are you going to do, take off the part and ship that out to hungary?

i agree with phatmanrx7. these numbers seem very ridiculous. my friend had an eclipse turbo stock with 200hp and he built the motor and got a bigger turbo and all the bolt-ons and made over 320whp. now, how the hell does the celica out perform this car when it has a 1.8L engine that wasnt built for turbo? im not saying that i hate the celica, im just saying that the numbers dont match up.

post some dyno numbers so i can see this "350-400whp" celica, then we'll see...

also another thing i agree with phatman is that how can you replace your turbo parts if it fucks up..send it to europe and then wait for another good 2-3 months for them to fix it? if i were a celica owner i would trust XS because they know what they are saying and another fact...they are locally in the US not Europe budsers.

actually the kit 3490 american. if you go to the american site you will see that. its 3600 euros, but the price is cheaper in american. xs turbo kit isnt good on the celica or so ive heard. its probably good on other cars, but from wat ive heard from ppl who actually owned the kit, its not worth it. im also very skeptical about the 350-400 hp numbers. 250-300 boostin like 12 psi and some other mods i believe, but i think 400 is a bit too high

actually, i believe the c2 kit is now 3650 because of the upgrade from the borgwarner to the garret. shipping is then 280.

still less than 6000

youve heard that the XS kit is bad...where is the evidence? regarding the price, isnt the US dollar worth shit over in europe right now thus making the kit more expensive?

but what im really confused about is how the hell do you get 12 psi from the 1.8L engine and be pushing in the 300s...kinda skeptical as well

SHOW ME THE DYNOS!

...you should read forums before you post stupid shit like this. gas from c2power has over 350 whp on his celica from his c2power turbo. This is a Stage 3..not a stage 1...and not on 8psi you dink, on 21psi...8psi i said is approximately 210hp on stock internals. 21psi and approximately 400whp on 21psi i have talked about in other threads and this includes all the after market internals, tranny upgrade and other shit. it is going to cost from 15-18k. Good for your rx7, this is a CELICA website and why don't you actually learn to read before you post. And if you search the forums you will see a 1000hp 1.8L turbo celica by a company (don't remember which one)..of course they re-did the engine since with 1.8L safe you could get 500-600 hp if not mistaken. So you want to sit there and say it can't be done?? ask Gas and C2Power...oh and XS...i have heard plenty of bad things like people waiting 8 months for there kit and then still don't get it so they buy another. and this goes with the celica, not an Rx7. Oh, and before you sit there as a member for how long?, search before you say bullshit about someones post, you won't look like a moron since you have no idea what the hell i have been talking about, thanks i would really appreciate it.

go back and look...i only talk about 8psi on stock internals, nothing about the 21psi=approx. 390whp...read before you post, thanks

alright first of all...TRDOTC you're a fucking douchebag and second of all XS is located locally in Hunington Beach, California so the guy who waited for the turbo prolly lived in the east coast...ifyou live in so cal you can pick it up personally. the celica with 1000hp is not your regular celica anymore, its a DRAG car thus its engine has been built the shit out of. why dont you post some pictures of your engine so i can actually see the stuff your talking about instead of you spraying your bullshit all over the forums...pictures are worth 1000s of words. if you dont have the pictures...fuck you bitch. well if c2gas had said that his turbo was a stage 3 then thats understandable but he failed to mention that

Right, lets review what you posted before about the 350 whp. I think youre the one that should be reading before you post stupid shit.


Hmm yeah. it says "The price is pretty cheap"
YOU JUST SAID 15-18K BUDDY, READ YOUR OWN POST BEFORE YOU POST AGAINST MINE

"the gains you can get for a GT can be up to 350-400 to be safe so it can still be a daily driver (not always up to that much)..."

Riiiight with 15,000 dumped into it to have a built motor, didnt include that part did you. You said nothing in your post about 350-400 hp about STAGE 3, 21 PSI did you? no. Someone reading your post like autocelica23 might get the wrong idea that his gt can be up to 400 hp on a $4,000 turbo kit. Please buddy, youre one of those guys that pitch a tent and camp out on the forums, gathering as much information as you can and giving out info you have read without actually ever having any experience on the subject, yet you think you know it well enough to give someone else advice on it.

Im not talking shit on c2gas either. They very well might be the best celica turbo kit maker out there, but the info you give is misleading and left open to any interpretation.

Anyways, "up to 350-400 to be safe so it can still be a daily driver" On a car that was built to get 30 miles per gallon and started out with 140 hp. Right i wouldnt call that safe. You do change the pistons and rods and headgasket but. THE BLOCK IS STILL THAT SAME ALUMINUM BLOCK. Id like to see you be boostin for more then a year without any problems.

Whats the long term reliability. you dont even know. so why are you sayign its reliable. the kit hasnt even been out for that long. so no one really knows do they.

Thank you. I can also use what you said about hearing stuff "xs turbo kit isnt good on the celica or so ive heard". Most people base their info off what they heard.

Hey PhatManRX7, its been a while

Well let me come in just to clear things, may help in the argument.
We have st1 = bolt on kit with 6 psi, as we find 6psi reliable. (some ppl boost more psi on stockengine, but officially we do not suggest)
We have st2 = same st1 kit + bigger IC, +rods, +low comp pistons, + heavy duty clutch, +550cc injectors, +some small tuff. This setup is safe to boost up to 14 psi. It could do more but officially thats what we say reliable, due if you run more then you risk to brake the tranny. Some ppl boost more as well..
We have done a tranny so the cars that have st2+ a tranny we call st3. Basically it is unlimited power from the engine and the tranny side. You may consider that there can be other thins that brake(like dricve shaft) but it did not happen yet to us at 21 psi. We actually call that more a race car then a street one.
Officially we suggest st1 up to 50% gain, st2 to 100% power gain and st3 fro 100%+.
It means you can reach bigger numbers with all of the setups just not suggested.

I am boosting for 3 years now with many different setups. Basiclly I am around 14ps all the time. I have seen a few dynos with turboed celicas. I broke a tranny appart at 17psi. I messed up valves at 8500-9000rpm (thats a lot) on a GT. I've been riding my car on the autobahn ~170mph. My fuel consumption still not that bad like my brothers Cherokee. I have removed Nitro from my car as it was useless with the power I could do with the turbo. So I am testing this car to be realistic when I say things! This car(many others as well) have a lot of potential, if you know what you are doing. It is not a miracle to have huge whp's on a 1,8 Liter engine. It is up to your budget.
Currently the record of the 1zzfe GT engine is 384whp by MWR (sure not 8psi). There are MANY other records over 300whp as well.
Buying from us or xs or sf or DD, is costumers choice. All you can do is to listen pl with their OWN expirience with the companies. All I know we have happy costumers and good reputation and willing to keep it like that. I am not compareing us to others, the costumers do that. I DO Take CARE about our reputation, and try to learn from the mistakes others make.
BTW all pricels listed on our web are true in $ for US costumers.

rx7 you idiot, hes talkin about the st shipping price is cheap which is bout 280 which is cheap considering its coming all the way from europe learn how to read. the st1 is also relatively cheap kit

just go c2 power and you will be happy

Thats right Thanks man lol, some people..read before they post lol...like i said that the drag celica has had the engine rebuilt...didn't i say something to that a effect? so i am a douche bag?? lol, i never said i had the turbo yet but yes, Gas does Before you come on and start posting since you haven't been on here for a while as Zero said, check more posts because people here know what i am talking about. Thanks and stop the name calling, this is a friendly forum You missed what i meant so sorry you don't think i was clear so read what Gas said.

"Anyways, "up to 350-400 to be safe so it can still be a daily driver" On a car that was built to get 30 miles per gallon and started out with 140 hp. Right i wouldnt call that safe. You do change the pistons and rods and headgasket but. THE BLOCK IS STILL THAT SAME ALUMINUM BLOCK. Id like to see you be boostin for more then a year without any problems."


Who said i would boost that much more than a few times a year for a very short time? I didn't...it is an aluminum block so you might be right...but all engines act different to things...sometimes they hold, sometimes they don't. I dont' know if Gas has had his for over a year...nm 3 years

"Riiiight with 15,000 dumped into it to have a built motor, didnt include that part did you. You said nothing in your post about 350-400 hp about STAGE 3, 21 PSI did you? no. Someone reading your post like autocelica23 might get the wrong idea that his gt can be up to 400 hp on a $4,000 turbo kit. Please buddy, youre one of those guys that pitch a tent and camp out on the forums, gathering as much information as you can and giving out info you have read without actually ever having any experience on the subject, yet you think you know it well enough to give someone else advice on it."


Your right...i didn't mention that but others have seen my posts...really, i camp out? look how many posts i have compared to others NOT A LOT! But you were right, i should have been more clear.

Gathering as much info. as i can and giving it out...without having experience? How do you know if i have had any experience with car stuff? I have actually, especially with friends cars, ie 300zx TT, turboed Eclipse, etc.

Knowledge is power...you have to have the knowledge before you can act! Oh, and the knowledge i have been getting are from the professionals and makers Stop the trash talking too, ie douchbag...not cool and friendly forums here. THanks, i and everyone else would appreciate it.

"Im not talking shit on c2gas either. They very well might be the best celica turbo kit maker out there, but the info you give is misleading and left open to any interpretation"


It wasn't as misleading as you read somethings wrong but there were somethings i should have added more things to it. I apologize for any misinterpretations for what i wrote but you didn't have to jump on my back as well, be a little nicer next time Gas explained it all like i said in other posts


Sorry so many posts but didn't want one huge long post

I believe what gas says.

Its just people that give out info that dont have the actual product that make me skeptical about anything i hear on the internet. and besides the road to 350whp for many seem to be near impossible anyways. It is possible with the funds, but with money you can do anything. So st 1 is realistic, st2 is too. but st 3, im sure no one has the funds to go there and one spike at high boost numbers or one error in the fuel delivery. BOOM. 15,000 is a lot to spend to reach 300 whp. Id go with a mr2 swap with boltons @ 16 psi and be at 300 whp and in the end would prob cost about 7-9,000 cheaper. and a block thats strong and capable of it without even upgrading the internals even tho its a lot of work in labor.

Gas wouldnt you say forging the block be a good idea, maybe get cylinder sleeves at the least? Im sure you could have boosted the car for 3 years, but you probably werent on 14 psi the whole 3 years were you to be honest?

Anyways i dont think i called anyone names.

Now the real question is, why hasnt anyone tried dropping in a rotary engine. I think i could with the right motormounts and if i can get the tranny to hook up. All you have to do is turn the motor sideways and you have a FWD motor. The motor is small so it gives you a lot of room to work with as well. With a port job and a big turbo you can be up to 450whp easy.

Im done with piston engines. Revolving rotors all there is to it, its revolutionary.

zero

Uhm XS is one of those companies. Talk to the peeps one the other site and you will see that XS is nothing but liars and their Customer Service sucks.

C2Power is the only way to go if you want to buy a kit

makes since you thought it was skeptical since i don't have the product yet...but i have learned a lot about it

Yeah, Gas told me to go with stage 2...i think i will before i decide to go with Stage 3...after i get a second car

Thanks, I will think about the mr2 swap.

You called me a douchebag!!!!! thats so name calling

I was told you have to get cylinder sleeves if you have the GTS, not the GT. The stage 2 is everything except the tranny work, this includes the internals. Stage 3, you upgrade the tranny. Please let me know if this is correct or wrong thanks.

I am Phatmanrx7 not Autocelica23.

Hes my friend anyways

haha, just messin around chillout