Celica Forums General Discussion Engine and Performance Tornado cyclone insert?

I have had a tornado cyclone insert in my aem cai (located near air filter) for about 2 years. I haven't had any bogging or CEL's. I was thinking about adding a second near the TB. Anyone have any opinions? I got the first one free, but I will have to pay for the second, is it a waste of money or not?

big waste of money they dont do a damn thing. it's only injen that gets the bogging and cel's.

Yep, Injen = Bogging down in the low end, and those tornado things don't do anything, except maybe change a little bit of sound. Which everyone know's, sound means more power.

lol no dont do it. wil restrict more air

I received an ad in the mail from Northridge Toyota - They are now selling these things for use in the Tacoma

Get them if you have money to waste! I'd rather spend that money on some good synthetic oil for my next oil change!

Really?? I know 4 people with AEM CAI and they get bogging too. It's just not as bad as the Injen. I've seen and heard that just about every CAI bogs, the only one that I know that doesnt would be TPR's CAI.

are you guys talking about the tornado fuel saver? lol ive seen that infomercial so many times, i love it when they dyno that suburban or w/e chevy SUV it is and they gain like 10whp lol.

Was it only 10 HP? I swear they dyno some dude's Vette and it gains like 18 HP.

I'd like to see you take out the tornado and test drive the car, and let us know what difference you feel. Before & After adding it in. Cause have you driven it without it? I would really like to hear your opinion on the difference.

I had my cai for about a year before I put it in. When I put that in I also did my exhaust, and AEM underdrive pulley all at once, so there was no way to judge the performance increase (if any at all) from the tornado insert. I usually don't fuck around with such malicious parts, but like i said it was free. If you think about it, it can't really do anything negative, so there was nothing to lose. In theory, it makes some sense. I'm about to do the "blue bomber intake mod," so before I do it I'll take out the insert, reset ECU, and see if I can tell any difference. I'll also try to do a B4 and after with the "B.B.I.M."

you are incorrect.

think about it a bit harder, i'll give you some clues.


your engine is essentially an "air pump" more importantly it sucks up air.

now what happens when you stick your hand over the end of a vaccume cleaner hose? it sucks up your hand right, well then what happens? no air enters the vaccume from that hose.

now imagine your engine and the cai is the vaccume hose, you stick a piece of metal inside the intake that restricts the air flow what happens then...


also you need to concider. putting anything that isn't bolted down or secured into your intake stream is asking for trouble, what happens if a piece of metal breaks off?

it gets sucked directly into your engine and poof no more engine, do you think tornado will buy you a new one?

Seriously you bought a hyped up product that does nothing but hurt your engine in every way imaginable. its okay because there are people who are educated to inform you of your incorrect choice. I suggest you remove it today and in the future be weary of "cheap & simple mods that supposidly give big hp gains"

remember this phrase, "you have to pay to play"

umm... I don't know about all that. The things do work but not that well. I had one a while back and it worked great until the thing creeped all the way to the trottle body and held it open. Yeah there is nothing better than going wide open throttle hitting lift and the watching in horor as your car stays at 9 grand at idle. I didn't just throw it away. I melted it into puddle and used it as a frizbee.

gtspaul2zzge had mentioned something about a "Blue Bomber Intake Mod". Can some1 please explain what exactly this entails and what the after results should B? I tried to do a search but nothing came up.

Thanx!

it's in the install secion of nc.com. check it out. has all that info 4 ya

Thanks Illusive, that was sooooo helpful!!!(sarcasm)
Next week I plan to do a full custom exhaust on my Hoover.
I've had it in for 2 years. . . not too worried.
I thought the principal behind blue bombers intake mod was to corrupt the air stream via air flow fins (and 2.5 inch piping) in order to optimize MAF readings.

you wanna shut these people up? dyno it. it should be easy doing a before/after dyno since install seems pretty simple. make sure you run corrected numbers with 3 runs...

Funny thing is, I'm not even advocating it. I just posted to see if anyone had any good opinions, bad experiences, or "hard evidence." The people who bash it don't even have any first hand experience. Or at least any they will share. You have to "pay to play," I think these things are like $60.00 (got mine for free, so don't know exact $'s). Thats more than a bunch of people on this website pay for their generic intakes from ebay, almost as much as an AEM power pulley, and much more than it costs to "play" on ecelica. Also, Tornado wouldn't be in business any more if their parts spontainiously broke apart. Point is. . .Don't knock it til' you try it

I'll try to dyno it.

To cap everything: I can imagine the Tornado on a CAI. That's a Tornado thought design on some CAIs that works. The thought of the Tornado breaking is all heresay. I heard the same talk before. My Injen never bogged and even surprised someone who didn't know what CAI I had until I told him.


The Tornado is crap for our cars (it's been said before).
I agree with ct. Dyno the Tornado not once, but three runs. I was going to write 3 runs from different shops at different intervals, but that wouldn't be fair. Would it?

I have had one put on my car for a couple months now and i didn't notice anything in gains at all, so that's probally crap that it has huge gains, the only thing i noticed was better milege.

It's a given that tuning a celica, unless f/i, huge gains are untouchable.

does it actually help with fuel economy...
how many miles to the gallon?

3 runs at 3 different shops at different intervals wouldn't mean a thing. making a couple of runs at the same time both with and without it will give you more accurate results. the more runs you get in at the same location, same dyno, same settings, same temperature, etc (same everything but the SINGLE part you are changing out) is the best way to see what the gains/losses really are.

an interesting read that pulled off the net:

Q: I see the ads on TV and I think it's too good to be true. So, do the Tornado fuel savers really work and save you money?

A: Here are my thoughts on these marvels of technology that have eluded engineers from all of the car and truck manufacturers. Just imagine a miracle product that would increase horsepower and gas mileage! After all, if you got better gas mileage it would mean you also reduced emissions! The worlds dependency on oil would be washed away! Along with this special you would get the cap snaffler. It snaffles caps off of any size jug or bottle and it really really works! But wait theres more!!! If it is turely a mavel of technology and it really really works the inventer would be rich and living on an island not pushing their wares in infomercials. As for the cap snaffler, it really does work, I have one.

^^ off an autozone site...or autozone affiliated site anyway (don't they sell these things?)

http://www.alldata.com/techtips/2004/20040726g.html

moving up a grade level this year are you?


anyone i mean ANYONE with any kind of knowledge about how engines work would realize how utterly stupid this product is

ignorance is bliss isn't it? you must be very happy.

Before i put it on i kept track of how many miles i got before i had to fill it all the way up again and each time i got around 345, now that i have installed this thing i have kept track and i'm getting 357 so it's not a huge difference but not a bad one either. But this thing def. doesn't give any gains like they say the t.v, that's just bullshit.

Illusive, why don't you explain yourself. Again, i'm not advocating the use of this product, i'm just inquiring about the pros and cons. Nor am I saying that I believe that this product is a marvel of modern science. You talk like you have some powerful proofs as to why someone should not use the product, yet I still haven't heard you talk about cars at all. Or even the product. Only arrogant, pointless responses.

illusive knows his shit...he's one of the few guys who have taken the 2zz into the 13s. search for his past posts and you'll agree he's very knowledgable about the celica

jesus its freakin blatently obvious

I also tried to give an example of how it would affect air flow that you cant seem to comprehend,

what part of putting a piece of metal that restricts air flow inside your intake dont you get?

what part of sucking up metal into your engine dont you understand that will cause severe damage?

how much more do I have to lay it out for you?

I deff. understand what you are saying about "sucking up metal into an engine" and thats not a concern of mine. How many of these tornado inserts have been sucked into someones engine? Or at least broken pieces of one. Water being sucked up is much more of an issue, but that doesn't seem to detour or stop anyone from using a CAI. The part I REALLY disagree with is the restriction of air. Like I said before, people perform "Blue bombers intake mod" and this mod also restricts air. Yet it seems to work great for people. I'm sure you've seen the tornado insert, It isn't very restrictive at all. Just because Illusive has ran his car into the 13's (congratulations) doesn't make him an expert on everything, and neither does being a jerk. I have read some other of his/your posts and most of the time it's condescending and arrogant. Give PROOF, not grief. I hate arguing, it's a waste of time and energy. I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just want to make sense of what he is beating around. Illusive, I guess you're going to have to make it 100% clear to prove your point. I'm sure you will just continue to make accusations and insults toward me, but that doesn't do anything for anyone. You don't even know me. I know a fair amount of concepts and theories on how an engine works, along with the rest of a car. I don't claim to be an expert though. I have performed all of my own intsalls and repairs on all of my cars, just to name a few, replacing an engine, rebuilding the top half of an engine, and replacing like 3 manuel and automatic transmissions. You still haven't given me a "without a doubt" reason to make it so obvious that everyone should understand why you act like anyone who uses it has the mind of a child. You're insults mean nothing to me. Facts would.

i go by a simple rule: if it truly worked..then ford, toyota, gmc, and all other car manufacturer's would buy the hell out of it and install them on every car that comes out of their factories. so far, not one single car manufacturer does this..and i tend to think they know more about cars than i do.

i read a news channel 8 (don't know from what area though) news article about placing one on a ford excursion..it lost mpg.

i read another article about a mechanic saying he tried one out just for the heck of it and it got him less mpg as well...it was confusing the maf into thinking it was pulling more air into the engine than it actually was, which caused the fuel injectors to inject more fuel into the engine to mix with the 'extra' air..which did not exist. this resulted in a loss of mpg.

here's an idea. if you believe this thing works then dyno it. you can dyno a car for as little as 45 bucks. that will end arguements. for now it's going to be 'i believe it's this...he believes it's that'. stop posting, start dyno'ing. you have the tornado already from what i understand. to know if it really works all you can do is dyno...(AND NO G-TECHS).

^^ you have to make at LEAST 2 runs. one without, one with.

I know, I know dyno it. Easier said than done!!lol What you said about the confused MAF readings makes sense. Do you remember where you saw the articles?

no really?...please tell me more caleb...

shutup ct

two runs will run you more than the $45 you quoted

http://www.wcpo.com/external/dwym/c3b519.html

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=776540&nav=LXhhITFa (news channel)

http://www.wrgb.com/iteam/test/test.asp?selection=article_23406 (news channel)

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=2570286 (the news channel article i mentioned above with the excursion)

i couldn't find the mechanic one with the maf sensor...popular products get mixed around on google a lot because so many sites get so many hits so the order of the sites get all jumbled up day by day

now i know your a tool

jesus some people are just too thick headed


The main reason why blue bombers intake mod works is because of the faulty design of aftermarket intakes.

the bends in the intake pipe greatly affect air flow accross the maf (mass air flow meter for you) and the other contributing factor is the placement of the mounting flange for the maf (still following me?)

aem used to have these hand welded into place which would cause the maf to sit just a tad out of the center of the pipe which would cause incorrect maf readings

these readings would cause check engine lights, which is why a lot of cai owners reported problems with. Their fix was to change the location, make the mounting of the bracket in a standard location which would then prevent incorrect maf readings and not cause a cell.

(still reading?)

okay now what do we know so far i'll recap

maf placement greatly affects the readings.

Okay thats great now your wondering why the hell those fins are in there stock if each part is supposidly identical, well because they aren't and toyota realized this, so they installed fins inside the intake track to "direct" airflow across the maf and provide proper readings for the ecu, thus never causing a cell.

So why does the "blue bomber" intake mod work so well you ask?

its not because of the "restriction" its because it directs air across the maf to read correctly. Its fixing an inhearant problem with cai and maf positioning, it has nothing to do with the tornado or your logic that your applying


Its blatenly obvious you dont understand why the tornado restricts airflow, and no amount of convincing from me or examples i provide will seep in. So its useless to go on but I dont want you preaching to other noobs how great a product it is when its not.

you're so smart...now i know why daddy loves you...

so dont say go dyno your car for $45 if you know thats not what it's going to cost.

geez..i should stick jason on you haha

again...i said a dyno costs as little as $45...nowhere did i mention he dyno only 1 run. let it sink in. reading comprehension is your friend.

aaaah...go find some more 'chiese' proverbs

When did I say it was a great product???

don't worry about it paul, ain't worth arguing about.

Seems like allot of misunderstanding the MAF, fins, and the Bluebomber mod here. This is what I've read on the subject:

Celica's MAF and ECU are calibrated to detect and calculate air flow thru a 2.5 inch opening with fins just in front of the MAF to minimize air turbulence (stock air box). Notice the fins are straight and not angled in any way. This is done to ensure that the air passes through the reeds of the actual maf sensor at a straight angle with a minimum of turbulence.

When air hits a bend or obstruction eddies and turbulence form, you can see this phenomena in water flowing around an obstruction.

Most aftermarket intakes (AEM, Injen, K&N etc etc.) place the MAF in a 2.75 inch finless tube environment; this can sometimes throw off the readings the MAF sends to the ECU, which can sometimes lead to the ECU miscalculating how much fuel to inject into the cylinder and cause Bogging or a Check Engine Light to come on because the mixture is too lean or too rich.

Not everyone who uses an AEM or Injen intake will get CELs or bogging.

The TPR CAI and intakes with the BlueBomber MOD dont Bog and throw CELs because they have the correct MAF environment dimensions and fins to minimize turbulence near the MAF, which helps to ensure the ECU always gets the correct air flow reading from the MAF.

sorry for the double post

The stock air box fins present very little surface area to the airflow and hence offer very little obstruction to the air flow.