Celica Forums General Discussion General GT or GTS?!

well i found me a badass 5 speed 2000 GT with only 64k miles at a dealer up here. its got the trd body kit and thats it, and i think i got em talked down to $10,000. im wondering if i should go ahead and go for this one, or try and hold out to find a GTS? i had a gts before so im kinda havin a hard time decidin

if the price is right, go for the gt. a 5-spd gt is faster than an auto gts anyway.

besides..the gts engines are CRAP, to put it mildly. if you plan on driving hard..you'll have nothing but problems. and what good is a gts that you can't push?

stick with the gt if you got a good price on it

awesome, thanx man! heres a pic of it

thats the veilside bodykit..not the trd one (i like the veilside better anyway though).

if it's authentic..the body kit alone was over $1,000, excluding installation & paint (total would be around $1,600-$1,800 just to buy the kit, put it on & paint it).

buying from a dealer..10k is pretty good. private party you could do better though, just my opinion.

please explain...

Yeah, that's a Veilside body kit

i wouldn't be able to go without lift..i think it's gonna be a big difference for you if u've been drivin gts (if it was the manual) to go to a gt. but gt's do have potential especial turboed ones

^^ same here..i want lift.

that GT looks pretty spiffy. do you have a mod list

gts have pretty consistent engine problems...especially in my '00 gts 6-spd. if you redline it it, it'll blow (can't land lift without redlining either). also, if you go in and out of lift a few times in a short period of time, you'll throw a CEL.

and everday driving you won't use lift anyway. and like i said.. a 5-spd gt is faster than an auto gts..and most people on this site drive the auto gts which isn't worth it.

Hmmm...GTS engine is not that crappy. Sure there are problems with it, but Lift is totally rewarding.

10K from the dealer, you still have to factor in taxes and etc. don't you? So what is the out the door price?

Compare that to a private party to see where you at in terms of payments.

Go with whichever one your gut instinct is telling you. No matter what you will be going home with a Celica, and that is always a plus

caleb...i think think the moderators should suspend your posting privilages...

engines blowing up on gts' are due mostly to mis-shifts. hi-revs is what the 2zz engine was made for. why do you think guys with pfcs are safley revving to 8600 rpm? Ad far as throwing a CEL going in and out of lift...well i think you better have your car checked bud...

^^ you drive an auto, prob j/k j/k

the auto gts engines are fine..because they don't let you push the car anyway, so it won't break on you.

but like i said...an auto gts defeats the purpose of having a gts.

dont diss the gts the 2zz deffinalty aint shitty you just got to learn how to drive it w/o miss shifting

if ur gonna go with f/i then get a gt if n/a then get the gts that easy.. or if you have the money get the gts-t

where did i mention auto caleb?

reading comp>you

i was refering to the 6sp...again, you should have your car checked...or learn how to drive...

hey there's a guy i know who's modded the hell out of the gts he has and pushes that engine like nothing else...his car is fine...

GTS all the way...

"D"

alright, fine bro just let me have it for having an auto GTS.
i would say that a GT 5spd would be a good race for an auto GTS. i dont think it would just cream it, i may be auto but at least i still have lift
if a GT 5spd is anywhere like a CRX with mods then it would give me a good match, but i would still take it, but by inches.


not to mention my car at least runs,



j/k bro!

Driving an Auto is fine. Nothing beats cruising on a Celi anyways.

GTS > GT

the car is cool on the other hand

I'd stick with looking for a CLEAN, UNMODIFIED GTS. Why do you like the cars that have tons of ugly kits and stickers already placed on the car???

I'd get that gt and turbo it. You can get a good deal on that so might as well do it. Turbo > LIFT

my post was meant for chelica

and i know a lot of people with blown gts engines. lucky_317 blew one of his (NOT because of a misshift), i blew one of mine (NOT because of a misshift), and a few other people have blown theres as well...and not from misshifts

and here's a question to ponder? why does the '02 and '05s rev limit lower than the other years? answer: because of all the blown engines from HIGH-REVVING (oh..but thats what it was made for) even the corolla xrs and matrsix xrs have lower redlines..for the same reason.

and lift bolts? they suck...gotta keep replacing them.

and the CEL's i talked about were probably due to having bad lift bolts..but that's still a 2zz engine problem, is it not? after i replaced them everything was fine for the most part. just had a lot of bad experiences with my car

^^^that celica gt looks like it has a lot more than a bodykit...but in my opinion go with the gt

nm...forget the '05 statement

so far you've named 2 people out of 50,000 6sp gts owners in the united states. They lowered the rev limit on 02 because people were mostly mis-shifting.

if the 2zz was that bad of en engine then how come the vibe, the corolla, the matrix, and even a lotus has it?

and if lucky blew his engine because of high revs like you claim...then why is his PFC set to limit at 8600rpm?...hmmmm

btw-what happened to your avatar?

ok ill break it down for you nice and simple (caleb really doesnt know what he is talking about, hes a n00b ignore him)

if you want to turbo your car: GT
if you want to be fast with N/A(intake, exhaust, hearder, cam,...): GTS

And remember...no matter what people tell you, get a manual...if you get a celica and it is automatic...and if you get a GTS auto, you are a chick

lol speed4theneed you can't generalize your bad experience with all GTS's.. that doesn't make sense and from what im reading ur saying the corolla xrs has a lower redline when if u've actually been in the car the redline starts at 8200rpm when the celica starts at 7800.. so how is that lower

I completly understand how slow an auto is compared to a manual. BUT SOME PLP HAVE A REASON FOR GETTIN AN AUTO! My car was bought for me by my parents as my first car. I do plan to go manual one day but til then I LOVE my auto. I wouldnt have been able to get my car AND insurance under my dad unless I got the auto. I HAD NO CHOICE! So dont dis plp who have autos, cause you dont know the whole story. Now maybe some plp did choose it cause they prefer it over manual, BUT THATS SUM! NOT ALL! All Celicas arent created equal, and all Celica owners didnt have the same start. I cant stand plp who r just about sayin "ur a dumb ass for gettin an auto GTS" when they dont know the REASON behind it. You might as well tease others and say how poor their family is compared to yours. Its ok to say that the manual is fast...casue it is, but dont be an ass about it. In other words, im just sayin respect ur fellow members. Beside, this is the Everything Celica forums, not the Everything Manual Celica forums.

gts' have a very low reliability rating
gts' have known problems with lift bolts

and lucky_316's problem wasnt high-revving..it was a bad shift spring (the car wasn't put together that well).

but ok, i don't know what im talking about. try goint to toyota about ur problems when its still under warranty..you'll no longer wonder why j.d. power & associates ranks them so low in customer satisfaction

caleb still doesnt know what he is talking about




i wonder how many people believe me

the new generation lift bolts are much better.. they dont break and ur still only stating 2 people that had problems with the GTS

you still have to replace the new ones, they just don't wear as fast.

as far as problems (both gt & gts):
https://celicahobby.com/ubbthreads/dosearch.php

there's a lot. and look, im not saying the gts is worse off than a tiburon or whatnot..im saying its worse off than a gt (comparing manuals anyway)

lol and shutup jeff..you're not helpin my points out that much. go jump in mt. st. helens for me

alright well i have had 0 problems with mine and i have about 35k miles

^^ and i hope you continue to have 0 problems for as long as you own it i don't want anyone to have problems with it, i wish i didnt. you do have an '03 though...every time a first model year car comes out you should expect problems (mine is an '00) so i should have known better, in all honesty...but i couldn't resist. i wanted the 6 gears & the extra 40 whp

NO problems here with my GTS and I ride her hard almost everyday. Hit lift everyday.. And my car runs fine.

some people just need to learn how to drive.. you cant just go from gear 1 to gear 6.. you need to follow the gear 1>2>3>4>5>6... and most of the people that have problem with their car are the one that dont know how to fix their car, your car can't fix itself you need to check it every other months. i hit lift every other days no problem here..

i have an 00 gts and i haven't had problems yet (knocks on wood) almost reaching 100,000 miles too sometimes i skip gears..hmm i need to stop that

you can skip gears as long as you dont over rev the engine its fine

y go turbo on a gt and n/a on a gts? why not turbo a gts?

a gt is more turbo friendly because of it's lower compression. a gts will still make more power though. i agree that both gt's and gts' should be turbo'd

^^^^ to that

I drive my car a lot and hit lift everyday. Its a 2000 (made in oct of 99) with about 57 grand on it. Ive had no problems what so ever.

XTC. I'd say go for it. The car has already been modded so you're saving money (unless you want to do your own modding). Also you can build up the GT engine if you're worried about speed. I have a White 2000 GT 5-speed too. I plan on building up the engine. You're getting a better price than mine stock.

go for the GT~

but i wouldnt get a modded one. id get a clean one.

yea, i like doin mods but... i think buyin somethin like that would save me some money and time and aggrivation. i just found out its got an exhaust system, not sure which kind, and its got a blue injen CAI. what all else could i do the the engine to up the speed on that biatch?

i'de say it depends on your financial ability. If your going to buy a GT and want to be faster than a GTS you might as well just spend the money on the GTS and get intake header exhaust. Im not sure on everyone else's future plans. My plan is to finish up school and fix up my celica and show it. Once i graduate and get a job with a masters in International Business then i plan on selling my celica and getting one of the following. Acura NSX, toyota Supra Twin turbo, or buy that infinity coming out in 2007 thats going to be the next nissan skyline. However if your not in school and don't have a financial future that will be lucrative i'de get the GT and build up the motor with a narly turbo and push like 20 pounds of boost. I never bought the GTS for going uber fast. I needed 1# reliability then #2 speed and fun then #3 styling looks. so what you should do is put a list of what you want in order. If you want speed more than reliability you should think about wrx's and evo's.

i dunno i think id rather have somethin thats reliable and looks hella sexy:D all speeds gonna do is get me in trouble haha.