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TPR Exhaust? #405106 Feb 20, 5:23pm Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 424 SeeULater Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica SeeULater Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 424 So what is going on with this exhaust. I would like to see some pics of it! Also how long is the wait for shipping on it? Is the best place to get it off the site or directly PM Easy E? Thanks

Re: TPR Exhaust? SeeULater #405107 Feb 20, 5:32pm Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 514 Bak, Cali(661) RetroJ84 Senior Member 2002 Toyota Celica GT RetroJ84 Senior Member 2002 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 514 Bak, Cali(661) i feel you but, we are seemingly under his mercy on this product "You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your f------ khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world."

Re: TPR Exhaust? RetroJ84 #405108 Feb 20, 5:53pm Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 424 SeeULater Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica SeeULater Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 424 I know well just so it is out for before spring time then I will be happy

Re: TPR Exhaust? SeeULater #405109 Feb 20, 7:31pm Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 822 Northern VA GTQuentin Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica GT GTQuentin Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 822 Northern VA havnt those cats been sayin there gonna ship for like 5 months now. sounds sketcy to me.

Re: TPR Exhaust? GTQuentin #405110 Feb 20, 8:38pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA they are shipping this week. Best 60' 1.959 best 1/4 - 13.7 @ 101mph

Re: TPR Exhaust? Lucky_317 #405111 Feb 20, 8:42pm Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,037 Alexandria, VA Clos Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Clos Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,037 Alexandria, VA dont worry guys ill post a million pix and vids wen i get mine, also there is i think 8 more spots. so if i were ya ill jump on it

Re: TPR Exhaust? Clos #405112 Feb 20, 9:12pm Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 130 fort smith, arkansas inifinity Member 2000 Toyota Celica inifinity Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 130 fort smith, arkansas 8 more spots for the tpr exhaust? shipped this week?

Re: TPR Exhaust? inifinity #405113 Feb 20, 11:00pm Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,037 Alexandria, VA Clos Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Clos Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,037 Alexandria, VA well mike said there shipping 10 at a time, so i guess the first 10 will get it this week and then the other 10 the week after so who knows. but i can promise ill have pix and vids ones i get mine

Re: TPR Exhaust? Clos #405114 Feb 20, 11:04pm Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,971 Turlock, CA RookieGTS Boobie Vision 2000 Toyota Celica RookieGTS Boobie Vision 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,971 Turlock, CA ehhh get TRD

Re: TPR Exhaust? RookieGTS #405115 Feb 20, 11:38pm Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,037 Alexandria, VA Clos Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Clos Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,037 Alexandria, VA actually right now im loving the exhaust do to the fact that the tip will pretty much look like a stock tip, meaning the cops will never give you shit for it. a friend of mine got pulled over for having the trd exhaust, and even do my friend showed him the papers that says it was a legal exhaust, the cop said it dosent look stock so he still gave him a ticket, so for me this is the best exhaust ever, and do some research on trd before buying. there are some bad feedback on them something about the weelding on the mufler

Re: TPR Exhaust? Clos #405116 Feb 20, 11:40pm Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,971 Turlock, CA RookieGTS Boobie Vision 2000 Toyota Celica RookieGTS Boobie Vision 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,971 Turlock, CA ^^ cali is different.

Re: TPR Exhaust? RookieGTS #405117 Feb 21, 12:03am Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass lol TRD? pay more for less? ok. Yea i heard about the welding on the muffler breaking as well Cali doesnt have any laws that are very different from other states laws as far as mufflers are concerned. Legal limit i believe is 95 db...lol TRD is 88, TPR is 90...both are legal TPR Intake! - Injens high end with AEM's low end and NO BOGGING! TPR EXHAUST! - Exhaust made 10.5 whp peak and 32 whp at 6300 on my car!!!

Re: TPR Exhaust? Easy_C #405118 Feb 21, 1:21am Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,374 Likes: 1 Los Angeles, CA QTRMLR_1 Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica QTRMLR_1 Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,374 Likes: 1 Los Angeles, CA well maybe he means in Cali you can get tested, and it's not an automatic sentence. And once you get the paperwork showing your sound level you can show it to cops who may pull you over in the future. I get my kicks on EC.

Re: TPR Exhaust? QTRMLR_1 #405119 Feb 21, 1:27am Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,977 San Diego, CA Zero Furi Kuri 2002 Toyota Celica GT Zero Furi Kuri 2002 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,977 San Diego, CA damn pigs. what if i still had my stock exhaust on and decided to cut the tip off and weld on a TRD or a bigger tip on? stupid cops wont believe that i just changed the tips, not to mention looking under the car and seeing that everything is stock. I've mastered the art of the After Image Technique.

Re: TPR Exhaust? QTRMLR_1 #405120 Feb 21, 1:29am Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,374 Likes: 1 Los Angeles, CA QTRMLR_1 Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica QTRMLR_1 Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,374 Likes: 1 Los Angeles, CA Please don't get offended Chris or think I am questioning you in any way but I got a question that I want to ask just to satisfy my curiosity: What is it that led you to the development of the design of the TPR exhaust, so that it makes the power it does? Would not a straighter exhaust make more power? But then again it seems this may not be the case comparing it to other aftermarket axle backs... I would think that maximum exhaust scavenging is always the issue at hand. How does it compare to the Kazuma? at all rpms? (and obviously noise level was also a consideration in your design) I get my kicks on EC.

Re: TPR Exhaust? QTRMLR_1 #405121 Feb 21, 5:05am Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 424 SeeULater Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica SeeULater Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 424 My question about the exhust is does it get rid of the muffler right behind the axle and just go straight back from where it would bolt up? I always thought that all the aftermarket companies are kinda missing power by keeping the stock design with that bend there and that it should be straight with a little muffler built into the straight section. Like the Kazuma style where it has a little muffler at the end and get rid of that huge one. Once I see some pics of it and hear it I will for sure be getting it! Just want to wait for the first batch so I can hear a bunch of opinnions.

Re: TPR Exhaust? SeeULater #405122 Feb 21, 5:16am Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 310 Frankfurt, Germany SurgicalRizz Member 2004 Toyota Celica GT SurgicalRizz Member 2004 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 310 Frankfurt, Germany I bought one, I'll post pictures when I get it on You won't believe the things I can do with a ping pong paddle and a 9 iron. Live fast, Live hard, Live well, Die happy!

Re: TPR Exhaust? SurgicalRizz #405123 Feb 21, 11:15am Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA having no muffler does gain power. I know this cause that's how I always roll. this is also basically the same thing as the kazuma. I dyno the same as the trd exhaust. (cept it was free to do lol) TPR's exhaust dyno was much better then mine. and it's a lot more quiet then the way I have it now. the theory - the theory he used when creating his exhaust is simple. keep the gas hot and the velocity up. also it's really light so thats a bonus too. Best 60' 1.959 best 1/4 - 13.7 @ 101mph

Re: TPR Exhaust? Lucky_317 #405124 Feb 21, 11:52am Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 466 Vancouver, BC, Canada GTS_Rosh Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica GTS_Rosh Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 466 Vancouver, BC, Canada What is the 32 whp at 6300rpm all about? Cause that's a huge claim/gain in power. How was that achieved? Can someone explain.

Re: TPR Exhaust? GTS_Rosh #405125 Feb 21, 2:31pm Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,174 Frankfort, IL combatc87 Specialist 2001 Toyota Celica GT combatc87 Specialist 2001 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,174 Frankfort, IL with intake and exhaust, and at lift. you can gain a lot from lift if you let the engine breath better. -Combatc87- / -SgT._BiLkO-

Re: TPR Exhaust? combatc87 #405126 Feb 21, 3:21pm Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 15 salinas, california trd01 Member 2001 Toyota Celica trd01 Member 2001 Toyota Celica Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 15 salinas, california What does tpr stand for??? someone help me

Re: TPR Exhaust? trd01 #405127 Feb 21, 3:32pm Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,289 Bay Area, NorCal CaLiGTS Phantom 2001 Toyota Celica CaLiGTS Phantom 2001 Toyota Celica Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,289 Bay Area, NorCal id like to see pix of this i may be interested Ask yourself one question. Is the juice worth the squeeze?

Re: TPR Exhaust? GTS_Rosh #405128 Feb 21, 3:38pm Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 895 California celicajonz Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica celicajonz Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 895 California Originally Posted by GTS_Rosh What is the 32 whp at 6300rpm all about? Cause that's a huge claim/gain in power. How was that achieved? Can someone explain. ...that gain was at lift...gts feels like a gt down low, but once you hit lift via. gts, thats when the extra 40 ponies kick...and having the tpr xhaust gain 32whp at lift...thats gettin a lot...ur only losing 8hp frm f.wheel to to wheel itself... Originally posted by A_Bathing_Ape: I hit, what else, oh plus dome.

Re: TPR Exhaust? celicajonz #405129 Feb 21, 3:52pm Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 466 Vancouver, BC, Canada GTS_Rosh Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica GTS_Rosh Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 466 Vancouver, BC, Canada TPR stands for Tuning Precision Racing as per Easy_C's sig. So you guys are saying that with a TPR exhaust installed on a stock GTS, you gain an extra 32HP? So instead of the 40hp kick when VVTL-i engages, its now a 72HP kick?!

Re: TPR Exhaust? GTS_Rosh #405130 Feb 21, 3:56pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA can somebody please shoot me. Best 60' 1.959 best 1/4 - 13.7 @ 101mph

Re: TPR Exhaust? Lucky_317 #405131 Feb 21, 4:00pm Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,137 Woodland Hills, CA ct C'mon & hit me! 2000 Toyota Celica GTS ct C'mon & hit me! 2000 Toyota Celica GTS Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,137 Woodland Hills, CA Originally Posted by Lucky_317 can somebody please shoot me.

Re: TPR Exhaust? ct #405132 Feb 21, 4:02pm Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,289 Bay Area, NorCal CaLiGTS Phantom 2001 Toyota Celica CaLiGTS Phantom 2001 Toyota Celica Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,289 Bay Area, NorCal Originally Posted by ct Originally Posted by Lucky_317 can somebody please shoot me. Ask yourself one question. Is the juice worth the squeeze?

Re: TPR Exhaust? Lucky_317 #405133 Feb 21, 4:04pm Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 139 greenville, sc barefoott4 Member 2000 Toyota Celica barefoott4 Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 139 greenville, sc Originally Posted by Lucky_317 can somebody please shoot me. Haha, you should demand pain and suffering money after Chris' court case with Red.

Re: TPR Exhaust? barefoott4 #405134 Feb 21, 4:07pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA I think I may do that Best 60' 1.959 best 1/4 - 13.7 @ 101mph

Re: TPR Exhaust? barefoott4 #405135 Feb 21, 4:10pm Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 466 Vancouver, BC, Canada GTS_Rosh Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica GTS_Rosh Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 466 Vancouver, BC, Canada , after looking at dyno sheets I finally figured out what he was trying to say. My bad. I noticed on a bone stock dyno run, HP jumps from 112whp to 130whp when VVTL-i kicks in at 6200rpm. http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0209tur_exhuast05_zoom.jpg With a TRD Exhaust installed, it jumps from 122whp to 142whp between 6200rpm to about 6300-6500rpm. That's a gain of 20whp. http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0209tur_exhuast30_zoom.jpg So with the TPR you get like a 12whp boost extra, and plus peak is a lot more 10.5 vs TRD's 5.5whp gain. Ok, I understand now, so no need to go shoot yourself. sorry Last edited by GTS_Rosh; Feb 21, 2005 4:24pm.

Re: TPR Exhaust? celicajonz #405136 Feb 21, 4:48pm Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,174 Frankfort, IL combatc87 Specialist 2001 Toyota Celica GT combatc87 Specialist 2001 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,174 Frankfort, IL Originally Posted by celicajonz and having the tpr xhaust gain 32whp at lift...thats gettin a lot...ur only losing 8hp frm f.wheel to to wheel itself... mind you the engine breathes better, so it is making more power at the flywheel. you still lose about the same amount of power to the wheel. -Combatc87- / -SgT._BiLkO-

Re: TPR Exhaust? combatc87 #405137 Feb 21, 6:16pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 992 Springfield, MO Celica2k Jace 2000 Toyota Celica GT Celica2k Jace 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 992 Springfield, MO it's not going to gain shit sittin in the shop

Re: TPR Exhaust? Celica2k #405138 Feb 21, 6:58pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,977 San Diego, CA Zero Furi Kuri 2002 Toyota Celica GT Zero Furi Kuri 2002 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,977 San Diego, CA Originally Posted by Celica2k it's not going to gain shit sittin in the shop yes it will...dust I've mastered the art of the After Image Technique.

Re: TPR Exhaust? Zero #405139 Feb 21, 7:14pm Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 424 SeeULater Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica SeeULater Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 424 10Hp LOL... it added to my car when it was sitting for 3 weeks while some powder coating was getting done! JK

Re: TPR Exhaust? SeeULater #405140 Feb 22, 6:12pm Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,374 Likes: 1 Los Angeles, CA QTRMLR_1 Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica QTRMLR_1 Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,374 Likes: 1 Los Angeles, CA What is the dB rating of the TPR exhaust? at idle? at 3000 rpms? thanks... I get my kicks on EC.

Re: TPR Exhaust? QTRMLR_1 #405141 Feb 22, 11:08pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA at it's loudest he claims 90 db which is only 2 more then TRD. Best 60' 1.959 best 1/4 - 13.7 @ 101mph

Re: TPR Exhaust? Lucky_317 #405142 Feb 22, 11:27pm Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,374 Likes: 1 Los Angeles, CA QTRMLR_1 Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica QTRMLR_1 Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,374 Likes: 1 Los Angeles, CA nice...that's quiet. I get my kicks on EC.

Re: TPR Exhaust? QTRMLR_1 #405143 Feb 23, 12:20pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA Im hoping to get pics tomorrow or friday. can't do it today cause my car is apart again Best 60' 1.959 best 1/4 - 13.7 @ 101mph

Re: TPR Exhaust? Lucky_317 #405144 Feb 23, 5:32pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 992 Springfield, MO Celica2k Jace 2000 Toyota Celica GT Celica2k Jace 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 992 Springfield, MO i hope to god i dont hear "they will ship next week" again

Re: TPR Exhaust? Celica2k #405145 Feb 23, 5:36pm Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 822 Northern VA GTQuentin Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica GT GTQuentin Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 822 Northern VA Originally Posted by Celica2k it's not going to gain shit sittin in the shop werd 2 that

Re: TPR Exhaust? GTQuentin #405146 Feb 23, 11:17pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA nope you wont hear that. I'm supposed to go tomorrow and get the pics. (if my car decides to behave) they are starting to ship tomorrow. people should have them in hand wed-thursday next week or sooner depending on what shipping method he is doin. I'm gonna try to get the prototype dynoed before they send it off to chris. my car is back up as of today but I have to pull it apart tomorrow to replace a couple things that should arrive finally Best 60' 1.959 best 1/4 - 13.7 @ 101mph

Re: TPR Exhaust? Lucky_317 #405147 Feb 24, 4:30pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA I was ther etoday and they are shipping. people should start recieving them soon. Best 60' 1.959 best 1/4 - 13.7 @ 101mph

Re: TPR Exhaust? Lucky_317 #405148 Feb 25, 7:03pm Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 139 greenville, sc barefoott4 Member 2000 Toyota Celica barefoott4 Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 139 greenville, sc Originally Posted by Lucky_317 I was ther etoday and they are shipping. people should start recieving them soon. Man I can't wait until next week...

Re: TPR Exhaust? barefoott4 #405149 Feb 25, 7:21pm Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,037 Alexandria, VA Clos Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Clos Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,037 Alexandria, VA ahhh i wish i was in the first batch, you all lucky basterd in the first batch. i cant wait

Re: TPR Exhaust? Clos #405150 Feb 25, 8:50pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass i have 6 spots left for the second batch, should start shipping soon. first batch is shipped TPR Intake! - Injens high end with AEM's low end and NO BOGGING! TPR EXHAUST! - Exhaust made 10.5 whp peak and 32 whp at 6300 on my car!!!

Re: TPR Exhaust? Easy_C #405151 Feb 25, 11:42pm Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,864 Likes: 1 San Gabriel, CA stefanoc Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica stefanoc Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,864 Likes: 1 San Gabriel, CA any news on the intakes yet guys? my car is begging for it

Re: TPR Exhaust? stefanoc #405152 Feb 26, 12:08am Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA still workin on the intakes so no new news there. sorry. doin the best I can to keep a fire under thier ass. Best 60' 1.959 best 1/4 - 13.7 @ 101mph

Re: TPR Exhaust? Lucky_317 #405153 Mar 5, 4:53pm Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 514 Bak, Cali(661) RetroJ84 Senior Member 2002 Toyota Celica GT RetroJ84 Senior Member 2002 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 514 Bak, Cali(661) anyone install that thing yet???? "You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your f------ khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world."

Re: TPR Exhaust? RetroJ84 #405154 Mar 5, 10:32pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Originally Posted by RetroJ84 anyone install that thing yet???? Yup, I have very satisfied customers. Go over to New Celica.org and check out the thread under group buys. There is also some reviews in the performance mods section of that site too. TPR Intake! - Injens high end with AEM's low end and NO BOGGING! TPR EXHAUST! - Exhaust made 10.5 whp peak and 32 whp at 6300 on my car!!!

Re: TPR Exhaust? Easy_C #405155 Mar 6, 6:42pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 992 Springfield, MO Celica2k Jace 2000 Toyota Celica GT Celica2k Jace 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 992 Springfield, MO yeah i have mine installed. it's a very nice exhaust. tip sticks out a little and is about the same size as stock but that's the only thing that i dont really like. after i get my wings west kit it will look a lot better. has a nice deep sound that's not loud and annoying. i can def. feel a increase in torque and hp. it seems like the car keeps wanting to go faster and faster. great exhaust Last edited by Celica2k; Mar 6, 2005 6:45pm.

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