I still think it's the stupidest thing ever that toyota makes the car, then goes "whoops, we can't fit the s/c under the hood". There HAS to be a way they can make a s/c that fits with the stock hood. What's the fun if everyone on the road knows my mods with one look?
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it looks like a huge zit on the hood of that Celica Satoshi posted. If I had a celica and bought that supercharger, I wouldn't want young punks pouring Clearsol all over my hood.
I don't think the new hood looks bad at all. The main problem is price. Not only with the Supercharger and its accessories already ring up a pretty penny, now we have to customize the hood. OUCH.
i think the new hood looks nice. the only problem will be the price, and it would be awesome if they made one in carbon fiber. only if i had the money, i would definitely want it.
Its not actually about adding a new hood... its about modifying the hood like how I've shown above, and using the bolt-on cowl as shown at the very top of this thread.
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WOW! what a cluster f*ck! The pix of the custom centrifigal s/c in the gallery looks a lot better and can be bought for around 2000 g's depending on where you get the pipes bent!
isaac i kno you kno ur stuff, how much of there is a possibility that this will go under complete production? if so, how much do you think it will be for the kit + installation + the cowl on the top? im guessing around 5k.
TRD has them listed at 40HP and 38 FT LBS for the matrix.
If you get 50-60HP and 50 FT lbs, you'll be the same level as the GTS, and it will be a pretty penny.
I was hoping for like 230-240HP, maybe 250.
yup but TRD s/c are carb approved..and if it is 40lbs more of tq it will put the GT at 165lbs of tq...i think GTS is only 130lbs. 230-250 looks more like turbo numbers for the GT...but s/c are "to the belt" which means no "turbo lag" and a little quicker from a stop
TRD has them listed at 40HP and 38 FT LBS for the matrix.
If you get 50-60HP and 50 FT lbs, you'll be the same level as the GTS, and it will be a pretty penny.
I was hoping for like 230-240HP, maybe 250.
yup but TRD s/c are carb approved..and if it is 40lbs more of tq it will put the GT at 165lbs of tq...i think GTS is only 130lbs. 230-250 looks more like turbo numbers for the GT...but s/c are "to the belt" which means no "turbo lag" and a little quicker from a stop
yeah, but is that worth $4K? And the ugly hole in the hood.
I hope they can put this into the GTS somehow, THAT would be nice. More torque at the bottom end and 250HP
Too bad that will never happen. Hotchkis TVS, here I come!
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TRD has them listed at 40HP and 38 FT LBS for the matrix.
If you get 50-60HP and 50 FT lbs, you'll be the same level as the GTS, and it will be a pretty penny.
I was hoping for like 230-240HP, maybe 250.
yup but TRD s/c are carb approved..and if it is 40lbs more of tq it will put the GT at 165lbs of tq...i think GTS is only 130lbs. 230-250 looks more like turbo numbers for the GT...but s/c are "to the belt" which means no "turbo lag" and a little quicker from a stop
yeah, but is that worth $4K? And the ugly hole in the hood.
I hope they can put this into the GTS somehow, THAT would be nice. More torque at the bottom end and 250HP
Too bad that will never happen. Hotchkis TVS, here I come!
to be honest we don't know the price yet...on some toyota sites they have the s/c at 2500 (this is for the 1zz corolla/matirx), even some local dealers here have s/c for tundras and such for only 19999...so unless we get an official price we can only look at what is already out from trd. the hole in the hood thing...well if it were up to me i'd just keep my oem hood and get another hood to put that trd s/c cover in. install shouldn't be too high since the trd s/c in a bolt on but again we still don't know. i wouldn't pay more than 500 for install though.
hotchkis wouldn't be a bad decision at all. if you can make your car turn inside an italian euro sports car more power to you ...lol- i could see enzo ferrari turning in his grave..lol
yeah, but $2500 for what kinda gains? That is also listed for the matrix/corrolla.
The GT engine is different, and might require some more expensive tuning.
lol-as far as gains we can only speculate . the 1zz s/c for matrix and corolla is figured at 160 lbs. of tourque and 40% hp gain. i don't think there is much diference between the GT and corolla and matrix only the fact that the GT was tuned more for performance.
so speculation-celi s/c GT @ 196hp and 160+lbs of tq= more hp and tq than stock GTS or Sport M (<
yeah, but $2500 for what kinda gains? That is also listed for the matrix/corrolla.
The GT engine is different, and might require some more expensive tuning.
lol-as far as gains we can only speculate . the 1zz s/c for matrix and corolla is figured at 160 lbs. of tourque and 40% hp gain. i don't think there is much diference between the GT and corolla and matrix only the fact that the GT was tuned more for performance.
so speculation-celi s/c GT @ 196hp and 160+lbs of tq= more hp and tq than stock GTS or Sport M (<<actually not sure if sprot M is at 190 or 200..hmm). 2500 kit +1000 for install...3500. so yeah i guess you're assumption of 4K is close. 4K for 40% increase in power (around 56 hp)...some GT owners would think it's worth it. again this is all poop talk till we get official word from trd...or a dyno
CT you can also say, it comes with CARB certified and Toyota Warrenty ... what I'm curious about is if they make a kit for the GT will they include a stronger clutch as well
Also if the GT is tuned more on the perfomance over a corrola and matrix maybe it will bring it just over 200hp
Plus these are numbers to the wheels if I remember correctly. So 196 hp and 160lbs tq are some decent numbers to the wheels for a 5spd that weighs 2500lbs. I would bet that you could hit a 13 with those numbers and good traction.
Plus these are numbers to the wheels if I remember correctly. So 196 hp and 160lbs tq are some decent numbers to the wheels for a 5spd that weighs 2500lbs. I would bet that you could hit a 13 with those numbers and good traction.
If those ARE to the wheels, I may seriously consider this.
Plus these are numbers to the wheels if I remember correctly. So 196 hp and 160lbs tq are some decent numbers to the wheels for a 5spd that weighs 2500lbs. I would bet that you could hit a 13 with those numbers and good traction.
If those ARE to the wheels, I may seriously consider this.
i doubt it's to the wheels...a GT 5-sp avg. at 120-125hp to the wheels...add 40% and it's at 168-175 at the wheels..again all is speculation without a statement from trd or a dyno
if this made for GT only, wouldn't that cannibalize sales for the GTS? It doesn't make sense.
I mean, it does make sense in a way, because this S/C has already been developed for the 1zz...just for different models.
With that in mind, I don't see why Toyota would do something like that without offering some kind of incentive to purchase the higher-end GTS??
i don't think it will "cannibalize" sales. some may not want to deal with the new hood of the GT s/c. some may want all the other features the GTS offers i.e. lift and rear disc brakes...
besides trd makes headers for only GTS and now that "hondata" type PowerFC is out...well, if you include exhaust and intake that makes for a lot of power over the stock the 180hp
Sure, but PowerFC's are made by Apex'i, not Toyota's in-house TRD. I mean, I'm sure Toyota would just love it if you spent all your money on Toyota-brand performance parts, rather than buying from Apex'i, AEM, etc, etc. What is TRD gonna offer owners of GTS's?
So if Toyota allows production of a S/C kit (including hood)for the GT, the average Joe Blow can now look at it and say, "wow, I could spend the money on buying a GT and putting the TRD S/C kit on it without voiding the warranty...or I can buy a stock GTS with less power for roughly the same price."
What are the differences between a GT and a GTS? The rear brakes? What else besides the obvious engine differences? Who cares about lift when you can add a S/C?
I'm not trying to bash Toyota or Celicas here, I'm just saying I'd be a little confused if they gave the go-ahead to start selling this S/C kit without offering something for the GTS.
Sure, but PowerFC's are made by Apex'i, not Toyota's in-house TRD. I mean, I'm sure Toyota would just love it if you spent all your money on Toyota-brand performance parts, rather than buying from Apex'i, AEM, etc, etc. What is TRD gonna offer owners of GTS's?
So if Toyota allows production of a S/C kit (including hood)for the GT, the average Joe Blow can now look at it and say, "wow, I could spend the money on buying a GT and putting the TRD S/C kit on it without voiding the warranty...or I can buy a stock GTS with less power for roughly the same price."
What are the differences between a GT and a GTS? The rear brakes? What else besides the obvious engine differences? Who cares about lift when you can add a S/C?
I'm not trying to bash Toyota or Celicas here, I'm just saying I'd be a little confused if they gave the go-ahead to start selling this S/C kit without offering something for the GTS.
good points. i dunno what toyo has in mind. maybe they just don't care because 7th gen will be over after 04'. it would be in trd's best interest to go with a s/c'd GTS but we'll see. maybe the GT s/c is a result of power hungry GT owners...supply and demand. you're guess is as good as mine.
with GTS, you get several luxury features such as...
Rear Disc Brakes Simulated Leather Seats Side Impact Air Bags Moon Roof Six Speed Manual Transmission (or a 4 speed "Sport Shift", but with Cruise Control) 16" Aluminum Alloy Wheels Power Front Windows Power Door Locks Leather Wrapped Steering Wheels and Gear Shift Premium 3-in-1 AM/FM Cassette/CD 8 Speaker Sound System with External AMP Power Antenna Aluminum Sport Pedals Black Cloth Rear Seats Security Alarm Fog Lamps ...and many other details
On a GT, you will have to pay additional for those luxuries
Many people when spending $18,000 to $26,000 on a new car, have already put allot of thought into what they want... Are they going to buy a car and want everything already done to it? are they going to buy a car and want to heavily tune it with the money they saved, do they just want something that will bring them to work and that looks stylish at the same time, are they young and want to impress the opposite gender or do they need something that will hold a baby seat for their newest family addition...
Another factor to enter into this debate is... 2004 is possibly the past year for this current model - so it really doesn't matter what the average Joe is looking for in a new car - because in a few short months, the only place you are able to make your choices at, are on used-car lot - aka; if you don't see it, you don't get it
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with GTS, you get several luxury features such as...
Rear Disc Brakes Simulated Leather Seats Side Impact Air Bags Moon Roof Six Speed Manual Transmission (or a 4 speed "Sport Shift", but with Cruise Control) 16" Aluminum Alloy Wheels Power Front Windows Power Door Locks Leather Wrapped Steering Wheels and Gear Shift Premium 3-in-1 AM/FM Cassette/CD 8 Speaker Sound System with External AMP Power Antenna Aluminum Sport Pedals Black Cloth Rear Seats Security Alarm Fog Lamps ...and many other details
On a GT, you will have to pay additional for those luxuries
Many people when spending $18,000 to $26,000 on a new car, have already put allot of thought into what they want... Are they going to buy a car and want everything already done to it? are they going to buy a car and want to heavily tune it with the money they saved, do they just want something that will bring them to work and that looks stylish at the same time, are they young and want to impress the opposite gender or do they need something that will hold a baby seat for their newest family addition...
Another factor to enter into this debate is... 2004 is possibly the past year for this current model - so it really doesn't matter what the average Joe is looking for in a new car - because in a few short months, the only place you are able to make your choices at, are on used-car lot - aka; if you don't see it, you don't get it
I always said it would look better with a taller cowl for the S/C. Hell, I photochopped it months ago... Looks like TRD thought of the same thing... Their design is a lot cooler looking than my sloppy concept:
Cool find Iced, I appreciate the pics...
You could probably use it on the 2ZZ... With a smaller pulley (5-7 PSI pulley like the blitz kit) and a re-tuned ECU.
And look at it this way. If you blow your 2zz, you can always swap a 1zz in an Supercharge it...
It gives me peace of mind knowing this... ^_^ Heres hoping we see toyota release a kit for the 2ZZ, complete w-dished pistons and a deck sleeve ('course, you could always just pin the sleeves).
with GTS, you get several luxury features such as...
Rear Disc Brakes Simulated Leather Seats Side Impact Air Bags Moon Roof Six Speed Manual Transmission (or a 4 speed "Sport Shift", but with Cruise Control) 16" Aluminum Alloy Wheels Power Front Windows Power Door Locks Leather Wrapped Steering Wheels and Gear Shift Premium 3-in-1 AM/FM Cassette/CD 8 Speaker Sound System with External AMP Power Antenna Aluminum Sport Pedals Black Cloth Rear Seats Security Alarm Fog Lamps ...and many other details
On a GT, you will have to pay additional for those luxuries
Many people when spending $18,000 to $26,000 on a new car, have already put allot of thought into what they want... Are they going to buy a car and want everything already done to it? are they going to buy a car and want to heavily tune it with the money they saved, do they just want something that will bring them to work and that looks stylish at the same time, are they young and want to impress the opposite gender or do they need something that will hold a baby seat for their newest family addition...
Another factor to enter into this debate is... 2004 is possibly the past year for this current model - so it really doesn't matter what the average Joe is looking for in a new car - because in a few short months, the only place you are able to make your choices at, are on used-car lot - aka; if you don't see it, you don't get it
These come also with the GT version of the celica. Not???
they should make an aftermarket hood.. kinda resembling the Mitsubishi Eclipse hood.. with the "power hump" look to it.. but ofcouse so it fits the celica's supercharger... but damn i want one for a GTS!
Personally, I don't like that you have to put a hole in your hood just to make this thing fit, I'd like to have a supercharger that fits under the stock hood that way you don't give anything off to anyone, specially like that pimple that other celica had
I think that if they can tune it with maybe some other minor mods and are able to get 190 to the wheels and 160 tq, for under 5000, I think its worth it. No turbo lag, will always have that power throughout the entire powerband, plus you won't have to buy all those accessories.
And also, I said under 5000. The charger itself is like 2500. Thats 1000 less than turbo. The real price is with the hood mod and the intercooler. Other than that, the rest of the money goes to tuning and drivetrain (clutch, flywheel, LSD)
the thing about not getting a turbo for me is that i'm in california...CARB is very important. that is why the trd s/c seems promising to me...but again there are a lot of questions that need to be answered first.
CARB is the part of the california government that monitors car emissions and air quality. they make rules about modifying your engine, and if you sell your car, it has to be smogged (it needs to have its emissions levels at a reasonable amount) before you can legally give it to someone else.
CARB is the part of the california government that monitors car emissions and air quality. they make rules about modifying your engine, and if you sell your car, it has to be smogged (it needs to have its emissions levels at a reasonable amount) before you can legally give it to someone else.
they basically keep the air clean in california
i thought carb rules only applied in certain states?
The one word that appeals to me about the TRD supercharger is Warrenty. If toyota put it in, you would still have warrenty which in the long run may be better than HP, to me at least.
One thought about the hood. I wonder if VIS could play with their invader hood and make the first hump big enough to clear the supercharger. Budda bing, problem solved!
Although that s/c may not produce big peak hp/tq, it will make for a sweet ass daily driver.
yup...here's how i see it so far (although again the numbers for the trd s/c are only speculation)
TRD S/C pros- -CARB -no "turbo lag", a little better take off from a stop -toyota part that will hold up warranties cost:(according to 1zz s/c for matrix/corolla) 2995-2500 for s/c alone
DD/SF turbo pros- -more power:SF turbo dyno'd at 230 to the wheels as opposed to 1zz engine claiming only 166hp to flywheel on 130hp cars. -you get that cool sound from the blow off valve -you can use the OEM hood without any modifications cost:3600-3100 for the whole kit
Thats the most retarded thing I have ever heard of... Lets build two engines, one with 140 horsepower and one with 180. Then lets come up with a real power booster for the stupid little engine so it will go as fast as our naturally aspirated 180hp engine. Thats stupid, how is Toyota going to have a fast car out there if all they can do is boost the performance of the crappy little Corolla engine? Ticks me off because I have a GTS and I want to be able to pull up next to a S2000 or VW Jetta that has mods and run with it. Well all I can tell you is somebody that has a GT all hopped up is not even going to be able to do much against a slightly modified GTS much less some other performance car. DUMB, thats all i got to say!
Thats the most retarded thing I have ever heard of... Lets build two engines, one with 140 horsepower and one with 180. Then lets come up with a real power booster for the stupid little engine so it will go as fast as our naturally aspirated 180hp engine. Thats stupid, how is Toyota going to have a fast car out there if all they can do is boost the performance of the crappy little Corolla engine? Ticks me off because I have a GTS and I want to be able to pull up next to a S2000 or VW Jetta that has mods and run with it. Well all I can tell you is somebody that has a GT all hopped up is not even going to be able to do much against a slightly modified GTS much less some other performance car. DUMB, thats all i got to say!
a turbo or s/c gt will beat any NA gts...gts has the power in lift but f/i is throughout the powerband.
Thats the most retarded thing I have ever heard of... Lets build two engines, one with 140 horsepower and one with 180. Then lets come up with a real power booster for the stupid little engine so it will go as fast as our naturally aspirated 180hp engine. Thats stupid, how is Toyota going to have a fast car out there if all they can do is boost the performance of the crappy little Corolla engine? Ticks me off because I have a GTS and I want to be able to pull up next to a S2000 or VW Jetta that has mods and run with it. Well all I can tell you is somebody that has a GT all hopped up is not even going to be able to do much against a slightly modified GTS much less some other performance car. DUMB, thats all i got to say!
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wow. obviously you're very upset. but if you wanted to run with an S2000 then you shold have gotten a car that was MR or RWD and if you wanted to keep up with a modded jetta then you should do mods yourself. in it's class the celi corners great...if you want more power on your GTS then supercharge it...or turbo is with SF turbo comming out. if they can squeeze 230 whp from a "dumb little engine" like a celi GT then imagine how much they can squeeze out of a GTS.
relax man...besides i think having the s/c for my "dub" GT is great. i don't need 230 hp...but a little more from the 140 i have wouldn't hurt
i heard modes on a GT not help mutch is it tru? And its cooler to beat a car with out the turbo. If you have turbo he will notce it and it will not be so cool kill. its not cool win a race if you have 200 more horse power hehehe To celicas GT N/A car VS a Turbo its no Fun. And will a GT smoke GTS if the GT has a supercharger?
[quote=ayoung02]Thats the most retarded thing I have ever heard of... Lets build two engines, one with 140 horsepower and one with 180. Then lets come up with a real power booster for the stupid little engine so it will go as fast as our naturally aspirated 180hp engine. Thats stupid, how is Toyota going to have a fast car out there if all they can do is boost the performance of the crappy little Corolla engine? Ticks me off because I have a GTS and I want to be able to pull up next to a S2000 or VW Jetta that has mods and run with it. Well all I can tell you is somebody that has a GT all hopped up is not even going to be able to do much against a slightly modified GTS much less some other performance car. DUMB, thats all i got to say!
a modified gt vs. stock gts is actually a fairly good race...my friend has a 5 spd gt with a fidanza flywheel, ACT clutch, i/h/e, aem pulley, trd shortshifter,and drag radials on his stock 15 in. alloys, took my stock 6 spd by a lil less than one car length...throw in the trd s/c in the mix with the current mods on the 1zz and Im not really sure if my now slightly modded GTS can hang (exhaust, intake) ...until I save enough money for f/i! So 1zz owners should look into this
ok good for me heheh since i got the GT but when can i buy the SC? And is it posibble to buy a hood lik on the pics or is he made it him self? sry if this stands in the post!!! is a couple of days since i read it
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ok good for me heheh since i got the GT but when can i buy the SC? And is it posibble to buy a hood lik on the pics or is he made it him self? sry if this stands in the post!!! is a couple of days since i read it
by your mention of "HE", you are referring to "TRD"
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:[/b] Can you install a short ram intake w/the TRD supercharger
it uses some sort of short ram to draw air doesn't it?...if not then you could definately install one...but it might have to be custom if they dont make it.
so with the front lip or whatever you want to call it on the vis invader hood do you think the supercharger would fit or would it have to be modified to fit the s/c
so with the front lip or whatever you want to call it on the vis invader hood do you think the supercharger would fit or would it have to be modified to fit the s/c
check the photos on the first page...
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Eeeh, why you guys want that TRD charger so badly ? I think it looks terrible and why the hell did they ever made it when it doesnt even fit under the hood.
Why you guys dont get the Blitz supercharger ? It costs more but then again, it fits under the hood, and comes with an intercooler. And i think it will even give you more power then the TRD one.
Eeeh, why you guys want that TRD charger so badly ? I think it looks terrible and why the hell did they ever made it when it doesnt even fit under the hood.
Why you guys dont get the Blitz supercharger ? It costs more but then again, it fits under the hood, and comes with an intercooler. And i think it will even give you more power then the TRD one.
This is from page 2 and 3 of this thread about the Blitz kit...
From rovare99... The one word that appeals to me about the TRD supercharger is Warrenty. If toyota put it in, you would still have warrenty which in the long run may be better than HP, to me at least.
From ct... TRD S/C pros- -CARB -no "turbo lag", a little better take off from a stop -toyota part that will hold up warranties cost:(according to 1zz s/c for matrix/corolla) 2995-2500 for s/c alone
DD/SF turbo pros- -more power:SF turbo dyno'd at 230 to the wheels as opposed to 1zz engine claiming only 166hp to flywheel on 130hp cars. -you get that cool sound from the blow off valve -you can use the OEM hood without any modifications cost:3600-3100 for the whole kit
From Steven ... i dont think they're designing their s/c so it can be dragged.
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The blitz kit is totally different, first off, it's for the 2zz, and is dialed in for that motor.
The primary reson why the blitz kit will fit, and the TRD kit doesn't, is that the blitz kit has a roots-type blower mounted to a manifold that will clear our roofline. the TRD kit has a manifold that was designed around the corolla and matrix. the manifold is longer, so you need to cut a hole in the hood.
On some of satoshi's pics, a trd equipped GT celica had a HUGE bulge in the hood, this new kit looks like it's manifold has been redesigned, still needs a hole in the hood, and a cowl, but it's a lot lower in profile than early setups.
Blitz is known for their engineering, TRD is looking at daily drivability with their kit.
BTW, the 2zz is far from being phased out, the new corolla GTS will run a lower compression, stroked version of the 2ZZ that will make 170HP @ 7000 RPM!
The blitz kit is totally different, first off, it's for the 2zz, and is dialed in for that motor.
The primary reson why the blitz kit will fit, and the TRD kit doesn't, is that the blitz kit has a roots-type blower mounted to a manifold that will clear our roofline. the TRD kit has a manifold that was designed around the corolla and matrix. the manifold is longer, so you need to cut a hole in the hood.
On some of satoshi's pics, a trd equipped GT celica had a HUGE bulge in the hood, this new kit looks like it's manifold has been redesigned, still needs a hole in the hood, and a cowl, but it's a lot lower in profile than early setups.
Blitz is known for their engineering, TRD is looking at daily drivability with their kit.
BTW, the 2zz is far from being phased out, the new corolla GTS will run a lower compression, stroked version of the 2ZZ that will make 170HP @ 7000 RPM!
the charger will fit under your stock hood, that first car with the hole cut looks like the body was lowered, so the hood came down too far. the matrix has the same engine as your gt's so you can bolt on the super charger from the matrixes,,, also the same, the problem is they dont have a program for the charger for celicas yet, it should be out very soon though. I think that the charger will not be made for the gts 's because (correct me if im wrong) the gts has to high compression and it would likely blow the engine. for the 3000 dallars you might as well go get a new engine with some better power, you can choose. hope i helped a lil bit
the charger will fit under your stock hood, that first car with the hole cut looks like the body was lowered, so the hood came down too far. the matrix has the same engine as your gt's so you can bolt on the super charger from the matrixes,,, also the same, the problem is they dont have a program for the charger for celicas yet, it should be out very soon though. I think that the charger will not be made for the gts 's because (correct me if im wrong) the gts has to high compression and it would likely blow the engine. for the 3000 dallars you might as well go get a new engine with some better power, you can choose. hope i helped a lil bit
I AGREE THAT THE CHRAGER IS THE SAME 1ZZ FOR THE MATRIX/COROLLA BUT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO FIT UNDER THE HOOD...THE SPACE IN THE CELI ENGINE BAY IS DIFFRENT THAT IT'S OTHER 1ZZ "BROTHERS"...ooops caps..dammit...anyway even if the body is lowered wouldn't everything lower with it? please correct me if i am wrong because the charger would be great if it coudl fit on a stock hood. again i doubt it since this was the initial problem s/c'ing a celi.
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good for me heheh since i got the GT but when can i buy the SC? And is it posibble to buy a hood lik on the pics or is he made it him self?
