Celica Forums General Discussion Exterior Custom Short Throw!

look at this

its nice to see that someone else has common sense too

^^ your welcome!

hence, why everyone says that the TWM is the shorter SS, but B&M has the shorter shifts, so if your stupid reasoning is correct, then shouldnt everyone say that the TWM has the shortest stick and shortest throw???







Why dont you just stop acting like your 15 fucking years old and admit your wrong!

ARGHHH!! Look through my posts! I never said cutting it would give you shorter shifts! I said cutting your stock shifter would give you shorter shifts over your stock shifter! Obviously, cutting the B&M shifter would give you shorter shifts than a regular B&M shifter. JBing was just ripping on this guy without explaining all the facts.

I NEVER SAID THAT A CUT STOCK SHIFTER WOULD BE SHORTER THROWS THAN A B&M even at normal length...

Anyways, it is all about the lever. If the shifter were cut this short...(cutting your stock shifter is dumb in the first place), it would be very hard to move it because of the lack of leverage. Check this out. I tried to keep everything the same after the fulcrum. The way I am looking at is "how far will the shift knob itself move."

this kid is retarted, open a book and read it then come back and try to argue your point. better yet, ill save you the trouble, YOU ARE WRONG AND ARE TRING TO PROVE SOMETHING THAT ISNT RIGHT! so please stop acting like you know what your talking about and STFU

Oh as I said before, it is very dumb to cut your stock shifter. It will make the throw feel shorter because it is! However, good luck shifting as fast. You will have lost tons of leverage. I am not sure how feel about cutting a B&M shifter. I suppose it would work a lot better with all the bushings replaced, I still wouldn't do it though. The whole point of buying a short throw shifter is so you can shift FASTER not slower. People that cut there shifters are usually just doing it just for looks.

retarted. Hmmm. I am the RETARD?

PROVE me wrong! Prove to me that if you were to cut a 6" long (above the fulcrum) STOCK shifter to 1" that the shift knob would move the same distance. PROVE IT.

I will say again because no one reads my posts anyways... IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO SHIFT IF SHIFT AT ALL.

The shorter you get on one end of the fulcrum the harder is it to move the lever. However, the shorter you get on that end of the fulcrum the ratio between lever movement on the opposite side vs. lever movement on the shortend side grows. With loss of leverage, there is a gain in movement.

Ok here it is...

This is OBVIOUSLY comparing Stock to Stock...or B&M to B&M. None of this Stock vs. B&M WHICH I NEVER TYPED. Please read my posts before you call me "retarted"

^^^ thats exactly what i understand phyics to explain...

You are still saying that the throw is shorter, but you are missing the whole definition of the throw of a ss, i never said that the top part wouldnt be shorter, yes it would, but unless the bottom part of the pivot is changed, the "actual" shift into the gears, is still the same!

no you're a dumbass, first off, dont start talking shit about people and what there saying until you know that the f**k your talkking about. The illustration that Jbing put is the right one, your jsut an idiot! You can shorten the top part of the shifter to an inch and it will be jsut the same as the stock shifter, why, because short throws dont jsut shorten the top part, the change the pivot point of the shifter. making it longer from the pivot to the bottom, so that it pops in quicker. Also, if you have seen the B&M, its a straight metal piece, rather then the curved piece of the stock one, do your fucking homework before you talk shit again!!
shortening the top part of the B&M will make it seem shorter, but it wont be shorter.



NO KIDDING! Man, it took you that long to figure out what I was trying to say?! Find one post of mine saying that cutting a stock shifter would be efficient? Find one post of mine where I say "Cut a stock shifter to make it a shorter throw than a B&M."!? None there? Hmmm. READ MY POSTS!!

However, you say in your posts, "do your fucking homework before you talk shit again!!"

Oh wait, I did my "fucking homework" and some College too.

But this is really the part I don't understand. "...shortening the top part of the B&M will make it seem shorter, but it wont be shorter...etc"

Do you mean shorter as in faster? I mean, isn't that the reason that a non-ricer would buy a SS?

Explain to me; if you had TWO shifters, lets say B&M. Both with the SAME ARMATURE, but one has TWICE the top section as the other, how moving HALF of the distance would not be faster? It would obviously be harder to shift, but if one could move each lever at the SAME SPEED, the one that was cut to half the length would complete the task in HALF THE TIME.

Is this not correct? If you answer "Yes" then I was correct and I believe you owe me an apology.

Oh, and one more thing. I have never heard of anyone associating the throw of a SS with the engagement of the gears. The throw is how much distance the top of the lever has to travel to engage the gear.

My understanding of the throw is the ANGLE that the shifter ARM has to travel, not the DISTANCE that the shift KNOB has to travel. If all that matters is the distance, you wouldn't even have to cut the shifter any shorter; just grab the shifter arm at it's base, and pull. Your hand will travel a shorter distance than if you put your hand on the top of the shift knob. Changing the length of the top part of the shifter changes the distance the shift knob travels, but it doesn't change the angle. The only way to change the angle is to move the fulcrum.

The diagrams provided are helpful, but just for kicks, here is an actual side-by-side comparison of the stock shifter and the B&M shifter.

there it is, the proof is in the puddin ^^^

the top part doenst mean shit when it comes to shifting, and yes, it does have to do with engaging the gears, thats what the fucking shifter is for, you can engage the gears quicker with a short throw, look at how the bottom of the B&M is longer then the stock, that is what allows it to kick in faster, it has nothing to do with how high the top part is!

Then why didn't they make the top part longer on the B&M? Admit it. It DOES matter. I mean, why didn't B&M just lengthin the bottom after the fulcrum? I mean, that way you would have more leverage! But no, they shortened the top for a reason. I guarentee that it is harder to shift a B&M than stock by just looking at it! It would be faster still, but harder to shift. There is far less leverage.

Oh and someone posted something about the shifter sliding? Sorry by distance that is what I meant...angle. Look at my drawings. I show curves not strait lines.


Oh, you didn't answer my question. Are you avoiding it?

Lol this is great...

Stop all the physics and bitching lol, watever watever, i dont care if i ENGAGE gears earlier or wat not, it looks cool, to me, and it feels like it shifts faster, if it does or dont i guess it really doesnt matter...But i know it sure feels like it.

LilJones it is the principle of the thing. I am man enough that if I am wrong I admit it. However, these guys have done nothing but say I am wrong and call me "retarted" (To quote Jbing. They haven't proven anything and make up stuff to argue about instead of focusing on the facts. I dunno, I want an apology. Then, I am done.

ok rocketman your half right.it goes with what your saying on the top of the shifter if its shorter then the thing travels less of an angle to engage gears on the bottom side, but if the bottoms longer then that means the top has to move less therefore saying the TOP HALF DOESNT DO SHIT and the length is just for looks. you could lengthen the bottom end of the shifter and still keep the top end stock height and you WOULD STILL HAVE TO MOVE IT LESS OF AN ANGLE TO ENGAGE THE GEAR. theres the physics in a short shifter. now someone lock this topic theres enough anger in here for one thread

What a fucking retard. If you had a shifter that was 4 feet long, and one that was 4 inches long, it would still have to travel the same distance.

The only thing that would change would be the amount of force needed to move the shifter.



I swear to god. Some of the dumb fucks on this site (Rocketman) think they know all there is to know about cars, and then don't even know the basics, such as physics. Get your fucking head out of your ass and go to school for fucks sake, and put the fast and the bicurious movies away.

Dude how old are you? Honestly! I am no wiz at physics, but this is so simple it is rediculous! See that ball on the shifters? That is a FIXED point. I call it the fulcrum because THAT IS WHAT IT IS. You say I don't know physics, but what you are saying makes no sense at all. It is very easy to say something...BUT PROVE IT! I have posted many drawings that MAKE SENSE!

Maybe I need to make a damn movie where you idiots can see what the hell I am talking about! This is so damn retarded... 4feet and 4inches above the Fulcrum ARE HUGE DIFFERENCES! Especially if the shaft below the fulcrum hasn't changed length!

I know, go take a pencil, hold it at a fixed point 1" away from the top and swing it. You will notice that the bottom moves the whole distance with the top barely moving any actual horizontal distance at all. Yes, the angles are the same, but the actual distance traveled is small. now, hold the pencil in the middle and swing it. This is the simplest hands on example I can think of. If you can't figure this out YOU need to go back to school.

The reason B&M shortened the top of there shifter was to help shorten the throw. They installed a counter weight to help the movement and not make it as difficult and moved the fulcrum up about an inch to let the bottom half swing in faster! Think about it, IT WORKS BOTH WAYS! DAMNIT!

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cant we all just get along...

Ummm...since when did the Fast & Furious movies talk about short shifters? ...ya they didn't...

dude it doesnt matter how long the top is, it wont shorten the distance the top end overall has to move. now THATS so simple its stupid. the bottom end moves the same distance no matter what the length of the top is.lengthen the bottom and then and only then will you have a short THROW shifter

To quote Rocketman:
Dude how old are you? Honestly! I am no wiz at physics, but this is so simple it is rediculous!

oh boy FF was mentioned... all credibility on this subject has gone out the window

^^ HA HA, yeah, once FF is mentioned is all gone to hell!!

cant believe this thread is still open

Ok, I officially give up. Did anyone try my "Hands On" Pencil thing?