|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
does anyone think these cars are gonna kick our ass once they get out on the street-i am not gonna be happy about getting my ass handed to me by a wannabe suped up cavalier
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 2,670
Specialist 2003 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2003 Toyota Celica
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 2,670 |
for average drivers, yes, they will...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
this sucks thats why i am getting n20 i need some quick power for the timebeing until i can get the turbo in there
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 234
Loser 2001 Toyota Celica GT
|
Loser
2001 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 234 |
how is that a wannabe cavalier?
I personally like it and I think it's about time that chevy got up off their asses and started trying to make some decent cars again.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
just becasue its replacing the cavvy i used to have one and they are sucky cars
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 669
Sara Sucks :P
|
Sara Sucks :P
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 669 |
Actually Toyota is the one that isn't steeping up anymore..
They already said they don't want to start playing the horsepower game.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 487
Senior Member 2003 Toyota Celica
|
Senior Member
2003 Toyota Celica
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 487 |
According to Chevy's site there will two different engines offered: Engine: 2.2L ECOTEC DOHC four-cylinder; 145 hp and 155 lb.-ft. of torque Engine: 2.0L ECOTEC Supercharged DOHC four-cylinder; 205 hp and 200 lb.-ft. of torque http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt/features/Curb weight (lb / kg): Base sedan: 2868 / 1301 LS sedan: 2895 / 1313 LT sedan: 2989 / 1356 Base coupe: 2808 / 1274 LS coupe: 2824 / 1281 SS Supercharged: 2806 / 1273
Last edited by GTS2003BLK; Dec 1, 2004 2:56pm.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,029
Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,029 |
i rather drive celica...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,174
Specialist 2001 Toyota Celica GT
|
Specialist
2001 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,174 |
so because cavaliers "suck", as you put it, that makes the cobalt a wannabe cavalier? does that mean a focus is a wannabe escort? or a gallardo a wannabe murcialago? or a murcialago a wannabe diablo? or a diablo a wannabe countach? (i'm more familiar with the progression of lambo's than with other cars, but you get my point.)
Last edited by combatc87; Dec 1, 2004 2:06pm.
-Combatc87- / -SgT._BiLkO-
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 895
Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica
|
Senior Member
2004 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 895 |
whooe whooe whoe whoe now!!!!!!! easy
Originally posted by A_Bathing_Ape: I hit, what else, oh plus dome.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 514
Senior Member 2002 Toyota Celica GT
|
Senior Member
2002 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 514 |
celica looks better, and agian the celi isnt really a strait line car
"You're not how much money you have in the bank. You're not the car you drive. You're not the contents of your wallet. You're not your f------ khakis. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,478 Likes: 1
Specialist 2003 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2003 Toyota Celica
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,478 Likes: 1 |
i couldnt give a rats cunt even if it had 300hp. cobalt in chinese means " shitty american ricer crap".
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
exactly itll break down after 50k like my cavy did-any way dont take my words so literal i was just poking fun at chevy when they said they didnt want people to view this as a replacement for the cavalier when thats what it is
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 522
Senior Member 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Senior Member
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 522 |
Let me just say this: When a chevy car is released, and it comes out with an SS badge, you can bet it'll be fast. Chevy isn't like other manufacturers who put on performance badging for looks alone, they are especially anal about the SS emblems. If it's badged as an SS, you can bet your ass that the car has a major performance boost beyond that of the other trim levels. If it's badged as an SS from the factory, GM means buisness. You shouldn't feel embarrassed if you get your ass handed to you by an SS, it's a simple fact of life that it'll be a performance car. When GM adds that SS to a car, they are not screwing around. there's always a powerplant in the engine bay to back it up. Look at some of the other cars GM made with an SS option available. Chevelle SS El Camino SS Camaro SS (especially the last version) Monte Carlo SS Impala SS All of these cars dominated and set performance trends that other manufacturers had to play catch-up to. The cobalt SS is just GM's way of saying "hello" to the performance compact segment. Note that the high-performance cavalier variant was called the Z24, and some models were actually pretty quick, but, although there were some fakes out there with decals and body kits sporting "SS" decals, chevy never actually made a cavalier SS. Cobalt SS will be the real deal for sure. BTW, I think the cobalt SS looks better than the Scion TC, very similar body lines, but overall, I think the Cobalt looks better
Last edited by Rave669; Dec 2, 2004 10:01am.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 138
Member 2000 Toyota Celica GT
|
Member
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 138 |
I saw the commercial for the cobalt. They make the front look like a civic wannabe.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,241
Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2000 Toyota Celica
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,241 |
this seems like it shoulda been in gen discussion.
I wont make an opinion til I see what they can do at the track. at 2800 lbs and 200/200 it's about the same specs as a type s with a lil more torque. and I agree with rave about the SS. I think it will prolly hold its own. I wouldnt personally buy one but theres no real reason why yet lol.
Best 60' 1.959 best 1/4 - 13.7 @ 101mph
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
i noticed that civic look as well but i will hopefulley be getting the c2 turbo now instead of n20 so i should be ok
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 102
Member 2005 Toyota Camry SE
|
Member
2005 Toyota Camry SE
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 102 |
The Cobalt, IMO, looks very similiar to the Cavi, as it should since it is the replacement for it. I also agree with Rave about the SS badge on GMC. The closest Cavi came to a SS was a RS. I owned a 94 RS, V6, 5 speed manual. The bitch wasn't slow!! I'll never go back to chevy though after owning a Toyota. I don't care what kind of HP it puts out. It'll never be as reliable.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 234
Loser 2001 Toyota Celica GT
|
Loser
2001 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 234 |
^^ yup I had a '92 RS with a 305 in it...and it wasn't slow at all...I just need reliablity now more than anything and the celica will get your more pussy than the camaro
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 908
Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica GT
|
Senior Member
2004 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 908 |
I say.. even if it is a good car.. Never get it the first year. You always have problems that they havnt worked out. If I were to buy one(which I never would leave my Celica) I would wait couple of years till all there kinks are worked out
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 234
Loser 2001 Toyota Celica GT
|
Loser
2001 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 234 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 305
Member 2000 Toyota Celica
|
Member
2000 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 305 |
same engine as a saturn ion red line
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,694
Metal Storm 2040 2000 Toyota Celica
|
Metal Storm 2040
2000 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,694 |
Since we are all gonna want to drag race (challenge) the Cobalt SS at a streetlight, it will hand our asses to us with 200HP and 200ft/lbs of torque. It's just that simple. Sure the celica's are great in corners, but when's the chance that you'll see a cobalt on a track other than a dragstrip?
Just be realistic about it people...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
wheni get the c2gas its still over with them
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242
Specialist 01 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
01 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242 |
I thought the #'s on the Cobalt weren't that great. Hmm.. IMO any engine that is F/I and is only 200bhp is weak sauce. I mean hell, Celica is 180bhp and N/A... Cobalt is pathetic.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 1,073
Specialist 2001 Toyota Celica GT
|
Specialist
2001 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 1,073 |
I don't have any problems with Chevy's reliability OR their performance vehicles. I have owned many good chevys, including 2 cavaliers (my wifes) That were VERY reliable both for 150,000+ miles. However, I think their styling has gone to hell. ALL their vehicles, including trucks, suvs, etc...EXCEPT the vette are butt-fugly. Thats why I wouldn't buy one.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 517
intoxicated 2000 Toyota Celica GTS
|
intoxicated
2000 Toyota Celica GTS
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 517 |
i had a cavalier before my celica, i beat the hell out of it, and it started up every morning whether it wanted to or not. I bought it when i was 16 at 55,000 miles and traded it last year with 136,000miles, no problems, except a fuel pump and a battery. My celica on the other hand, is nicer, faster, or isnt slow is the way to say it, and costs me a hell of a lot more. But the celica has spend at least 1/10th of my ownership in the shop. I know that toyota is a reliable car, but what happened to me? I must have got a lemon. Anyway, i dont think the cobalt will be junk, but for 22 grand, i think i could find something much better...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,869
daman 2000 Toyota Celica GT
|
daman
2000 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 2,869 |
it will be a good car...most of you import fans need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that the quality of domestic cars is getting better. Suck it up and believe it that it will beat a celica
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,547 Likes: 1
Pizza Geek 2002 Toyota Celica GT
|
Pizza Geek
2002 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,547 Likes: 1 |
exactly itll break down after 50k like my cavy did-any way dont take my words so literal i was just poking fun at chevy when they said they didnt want people to view this as a replacement for the cavalier when thats what it is there have been plenty of ppl w/ celica's who have had plenty of problems with their cars. It all breaks down to the ppl who own them, if you treat your car like shit it will treat you to shit in return. It really bugs me how ppl bash American cars cause of their reliability, but more often then not its due to the retards that own them and the lack of regular service provided for them
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 517
intoxicated 2000 Toyota Celica GTS
|
intoxicated
2000 Toyota Celica GTS
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 517 |
exactly itll break down after 50k like my cavy did-any way dont take my words so literal i was just poking fun at chevy when they said they didnt want people to view this as a replacement for the cavalier when thats what it is there have been plenty of ppl w/ celica's who have had plenty of problems with their cars. It all breaks down to the ppl who own them, if you treat your car like shit it will treat you to shit in return. perfectly said...and i wonder why my cars suck! It really bugs me how ppl bash American cars cause of their reliability, but more often then not its due to the retards that own them and the lack of regular service provided for them
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
well, i treated my cavy very well, synthetic iol every 3000, coolant check, tires rotated--trust me i couldnt have helped that car any more than i did -just face it american companys cant compete with the quality put into the japanese cars-but thats my opinion so dont worry about knockin me for it because its not gonna change my mind
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,547 Likes: 1
Pizza Geek 2002 Toyota Celica GT
|
Pizza Geek
2002 Toyota Celica GT
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 1,547 Likes: 1 |
im not knockin you its just when something it mass produced theres bound to be some problems. maybe you just got a lemon, who knows, but ive see just as many problems with jap cas as ive seen with american cars. and lets face it, the more ppl who buy cars made overseas the worse the american econ. gets.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
well i personally wont be giving my celica up anytime in the next ten years so i dont care what they do with the cars as long as i can still beat them
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,365 Likes: 1
Caleb 2000 Toyota Celica
|
Caleb
2000 Toyota Celica
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,365 Likes: 1 |
there's already a thread about this in the racing forum (which is where this thread should be posted as well).
the cobalt will be about equal with the gts (manual versions). the cobalt boats more power but is heavier and is a 5-spd, which equals it out. i would like to race one tell you the truth
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
i guess only time will tell...
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242
Specialist 01 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
01 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242 |
I dunno I was just on the Chevy Website. I think they might have under rated the engine like dodge did on the SRT-4. Looks like it has weak HP...but I swear to God it says it peaks at 271 torque. I am probably just reading it wrong. Someone else check to see if I am tarded.
Engine Type 2.2L ECOTEC DOHC 2.0L ECOTEC Supercharged DOHC RPO L61 LSJ Displacement (liters/cu. in.) 2.0/122.0 Bore & stroke (in.) 3.4x3.4 Bore & stroke (mm) 86.00 x 86.00 Compression ratio 9.5:1 Block material cast-aluminum Cylinder head materialcast-aluminum Valves per cylinder 4 4 Ignition system electronic Lifters hydraulic hydraulic Cam drive chain Alternator rating (amps) 105 Battery (SAE rating, cca)525 Recommended unleaded fuel 91+ octane1 Redline (RPM) 6500 Horsepower/kW @ engine RPM RPM 205/152.93 @ 5600 RPM Torque (lb.-ft./N-m) @ engine RPM 200/271.16 @ 4400 RPM
Last edited by Rocketman; Dec 10, 2004 5:40pm.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
wow we are gonna get killed bad if thats right i am going over to the site right now to re check this
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
its only 200 lbs of torque, whew not as bad. 205 hp as well--this is on the ss only though
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242
Specialist 01 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
01 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242 |
Ok, here is a link to some timeslips from a Ion Redline (same engine as cobalt ss) I believe that they are almost the same weight too. The forum where I found this kept on saying that this is the fastest slip so far. We are going to be very close in the 1/4 at the track.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
thats pretty damn fast for a stock car or is it modified? or do you know?
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,374 Likes: 1
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,374 Likes: 1 |
regardless, they can't have much done to it, and look at those bad 60' times compared to what the good Celica drivers pull. When they figure out how to launch FWD from coming here maybe, they will do a bit better.
thoughts: those who want to go turbo will probably get the 2.2.
con: in stock form, I'm not impressed by a 2.0 supercharged car that only puts out those numbers. (But then again look at the meager similar results of supercharging the Celica GTS 1.8, though the GTS will still be 300 lbs less).
pro: it's probably a heck of a lot easier to drive than land a GTS in lift.
PROS: yes the NHRA Sport Compact Pro FWD and Hot Rod classes are currently dominated by 2.0 L and 2.2 L Ecotec cars. Nelson Hoyos, Marty Ladwig, Lisa Kubo.
I get my kicks on EC.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
hopefully more parts will come out for our cars like internals cams, mainly that will give us the gain like swapping out honda cams gives them a great gain and i think after that most of our parts will be covered im not sure about the intake manifold though does someone make that yet
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242
Specialist 01 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
01 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242 |
thats pretty damn fast for a stock car or is it modified? or do you know? Supposed to be stock. However, as QTRMLR_1 said, not very impressive driving skills. Still, that is faster than a stock celica.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
so until we go forced induction we have no chance
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 88
Member 2000 Toyota Celica
|
Member
2000 Toyota Celica
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 88 |
Ah I'm not impressed! It looks similiar on paper power to weight as the RSX Type S. If its a the replacement for the Cav does it still have rear drums? Ha! I run the Type S and I will run the Nobalt!
Late
I'm out!
I want two drivers who refused to be stopped. I want you to elude whatever pursuit is thrown your way. Get the bags from my stash house to the Keys, where I will have a cargo plane ready to take off. Drive on to that plane and we’re gone.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 669
Sara Sucks :P
|
Sara Sucks :P
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 669 |
Uhm a Celica GT has rear drums, whats your point there larry
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242
Specialist 01 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
01 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,242 |
so until we go forced induction we have no chance No, I am not saying that at all. I think with minor mods we can take it. However the same thing goes for the cobalt. Only time will tell how good the aftermarket will be for that car.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337
Specialist 2002 Toyota Celica
|
Specialist
2002 Toyota Celica
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,337 |
i'm sure it will be great for the cobalt that ecotec motor has about as many options as the civics do and toyota doesnt wanna play the horepower game and gm has something to prove so they are gonna try very hard turbo is our only chance since they are supercharged and that is not as powerful as a turbo can be
respect the gt-s
|
|
|
Joined: August 2004
Thank you.: me, myself, and I...! Random: a bowl of rice, fried chicken, and a glass of water!
|
Show All Member Profiles
|
|
- Part Reviews
- OEM Parts Catalog
- Body Kits, Ground Effects
- Hoods, Hood Scoops
- Spoilers, Wings, Splitters
- Side Mirrors
- Head/Tail Lights & Bulbs
- Interior Appearance
- Interior Performance
- Engine Dress-up Kits
- Exhaust Systems
- Engine Performance
- Bars, Braces, Coilovers
- Shocks, Springs
- Wheels, Tires, Brakes
- Audio, Video, Security
|
|
|
|