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TPR exhaust vs Catback #347587 Dec 9, 2:39pm Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 394 Cleveland Vlad Member 2000 Toyota Celica Vlad Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 394 Cleveland Everyone always talks about the TPR exhaust and im agreeing that it is the best out there from the axle backs but i wanted to know how much more hp a catback exhuast would give you . thnx

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Vlad #347588 Dec 9, 5:33pm Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 459 Bradenton, FL skym Senior Member 2001 Toyota Celica GT skym Senior Member 2001 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 459 Bradenton, FL do you mean axle back vs. catback? they are the same thing for celicas...unless you do custom catback piping Quote Originally posted by tido: i beat a dude on a bike going to work today...i revved on him and we lined up at the light and it was on....i hit lift once...thats how hardcore it was....

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback skym #347589 Dec 9, 5:36pm Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ no such thing as catback for celica... SUBARU TECNICA INTERNATIONAL

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback VSGTS14 #347590 Dec 9, 5:44pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 998 Chicago, IL Pnoy Specialist 02 Toyota Celica Pnoy Specialist 02 Toyota Celica Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 998 Chicago, IL so greedy evo2 is not a catback? i tought it was? TPR who? I still haven't seen anyone with the actual exhaust installed on the car. But there are a LOT of RUMORS going on around the forums that they have the "best gains" amongst axle back exhaust.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Pnoy #347591 Dec 9, 5:46pm Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ no, we can't have a catback unless you make it custom and with that, it won't do anything anyway. SUBARU TECNICA INTERNATIONAL

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback VSGTS14 #347592 Dec 9, 8:15pm Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 394 Cleveland Vlad Member 2000 Toyota Celica Vlad Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 394 Cleveland ahh ok ic thnx for straitening me out i guess im going with TPR

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Vlad #347593 Dec 10, 8:48am Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Is it called rumors when I have supplied everyone with Dynos and Pics? Last edited by Easy_C; Dec 10, 2004 8:49am. TPR Intake! - Injens high end with AEM's low end and NO BOGGING! TPR EXHAUST! - Exhaust made 10.5 whp peak and 32 whp at 6300 on my car!!!

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback VSGTS14 #347594 Dec 10, 8:51am Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 895 California celicajonz Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica celicajonz Senior Member 2004 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 895 California Originally Posted by VSGTS14 no such thing as catback for celica... kazuma

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback celicajonz #347595 Dec 10, 11:06am Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,670 towson, md ragingpaseo Specialist 2003 Toyota Celica ragingpaseo Specialist 2003 Toyota Celica Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,670 towson, md yeah, kazuma no?

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback ragingpaseo #347596 Dec 10, 1:52pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 998 Chicago, IL Pnoy Specialist 02 Toyota Celica Pnoy Specialist 02 Toyota Celica Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 998 Chicago, IL kazuma is catback isn't it? well...kazuma are badass exhaust but it sucks having them in the US streets

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Pnoy #347597 Dec 10, 1:55pm Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,093 SoCal Eman Black Sheep 2000 Toyota Celica GT Eman Black Sheep 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,093 SoCal whats this TPR business...im must of not beein paying attentin in class...anyone want to summerize.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Pnoy #347598 Dec 10, 1:57pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA Kazuma is the only catback system made for celicas short of going custom. What i did was i bought an exhaust control valve from arospeed to adjust the volume of my Kazuma exhaust when neccesary, such as when im around home or around cops.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347599 Dec 10, 1:58pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 998 Chicago, IL Pnoy Specialist 02 Toyota Celica Pnoy Specialist 02 Toyota Celica Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 998 Chicago, IL post the link BlkCelicaGT07 I heard about those valve from a friend where you can actually lower the noice from the exhaust but I just can't find 1 for celica. Last edited by Pnoy; Dec 10, 2004 2:00pm.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Pnoy #347600 Dec 10, 2:00pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA http://www.arospeed.com/default.php?cPath=22_43_45&osCsid=b6eb516e4978e79b5e0693e035a9157a the car make is no different they are all made to fit two and a half inch piping.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347601 Dec 10, 2:01pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 998 Chicago, IL Pnoy Specialist 02 Toyota Celica Pnoy Specialist 02 Toyota Celica Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 998 Chicago, IL yeah...but those are not for Celica... post some pics of it installed in your car.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Pnoy #347602 Dec 10, 2:05pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA The car model makes NO DIFFERENCE, like i said its made to fit 2 1/2" piping. They are all the same exact thing. it doesnt matter which one you buy it will still work.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347603 Dec 10, 2:15pm Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ kazuma is not a catback...kazuma eliminates the cat, therefore, its not right after the cat (catback). you can't have a catback made unless you weld, its just the way the piping was made on the celica. SUBARU TECNICA INTERNATIONAL

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback VSGTS14 #347604 Dec 10, 2:19pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA so then what would you call the kazuma? just straight pipe?

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347605 Dec 10, 2:20pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 998 Chicago, IL Pnoy Specialist 02 Toyota Celica Pnoy Specialist 02 Toyota Celica Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 998 Chicago, IL Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07 Kazuma is the only catback system made for celicas short of going custom. What i did was i bought an exhaust control valve from arospeed to adjust the volume of my Kazuma exhaust when neccesary, such as when im around home or around cops. i'm so interested...post some sound clips of your kazuma exhaust if you have any...

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Pnoy #347606 Dec 10, 2:24pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA i dont have any personal clips of my kazuma, but heres one from a site. . . 1953379593-kazumamovie1.mpeg (0 Bytes, 67 downloads)

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347607 Dec 10, 2:25pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA keep in mind that this clip doesnt do this exhaust any justice. . .it is insanly loud.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347608 Dec 10, 2:28pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA here is the site i bought it off of. . . http://www.wctoyotasport.com/TRD/index.htm and pics of it when i had to take it off.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347609 Dec 10, 2:29pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA 2

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347610 Dec 10, 2:34pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Lucky_317 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,241 Fontana, CA I'm pretty sure the kazuma doesn't remove the cat. to have a cat back on a celica you have to have the pipe cut and welded in place. it's not a simple bolt on like an axle back setup. IMO there's really nothing you'll gain from having a cat back system. Best 60' 1.959 best 1/4 - 13.7 @ 101mph

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Lucky_317 #347611 Dec 10, 2:36pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA kazuma gains 20hp at the drive wheels.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347612 Dec 10, 8:23pm Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ last i read, the kazuma elimates the cat, so from who i read if from, they are either right or wrong. why do you think it's illegal and for race? race cars have no cats. otherwise, anyone could make a kazuma exhaust from a trd by takin the resonator off since the rest of the piping is the essentially the same. kazuma does not gain 20hp at the wheels, all it does is free up more flow and gain a little more than an axle back. SUBARU TECNICA INTERNATIONAL

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback VSGTS14 #347613 Dec 10, 10:57pm Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 394 Cleveland Vlad Member 2000 Toyota Celica Vlad Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 394 Cleveland wats hp gain to the wheels on tpr just wondering

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Vlad #347614 Dec 11, 12:16am Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass i got 10.5 whp. someone in cali got like 19whp with the TPR i/e combo... TPR Intake! - Injens high end with AEM's low end and NO BOGGING! TPR EXHAUST! - Exhaust made 10.5 whp peak and 32 whp at 6300 on my car!!!

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Easy_C #347615 Dec 11, 12:30am Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347616 Dec 11, 6:47am Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07 uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that. Ummmm...most dyno ive seen for kazuma was 11-12 whp. Also notice the loss on low end with it too. Let me find that dyno... I've also seen dynos of NO MUFFLER. They would probbly gain around as much if not a lil less... Injen CAI/No muffler = 176whp Last edited by Easy_C; Dec 11, 2004 6:49am. TPR Intake! - Injens high end with AEM's low end and NO BOGGING! TPR EXHAUST! - Exhaust made 10.5 whp peak and 32 whp at 6300 on my car!!!

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Easy_C #347617 Dec 11, 6:51am Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,298 Annapolis, Maryland sickcelica696 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica sickcelica696 Specialist 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,298 Annapolis, Maryland Originally Posted by Easy_C Is it called rumors when I have supplied everyone with Dynos and Pics? I think its still rumors when theres no real pics

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Easy_C #347618 Dec 11, 8:55am Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,242 Idaho Falls, ID Rocketman Specialist 01 Toyota Celica Rocketman Specialist 01 Toyota Celica Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,242 Idaho Falls, ID Originally Posted by Easy_C Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07 uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that. Ummmm...most dyno ive seen for kazuma was 11-12 whp. Also notice the loss on low end with it too. Let me find that dyno... I've also seen dynos of NO MUFFLER. They would probbly gain around as much if not a lil less... Injen CAI/No muffler = 176whp I would definately expect a loss at low end due to the fact of less back pressure. However, I would also expect the top end of the kazuma to be higher than the TPR. It just would make sense.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347619 Dec 11, 9:39am Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07 uhhhhh TRD Kazuma does actually gain 20hp to the drive wheels, do your research before arguing against that. you're trying to tell me to listen to you? SUBARU TECNICA INTERNATIONAL

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback VSGTS14 #347620 Dec 11, 12:15pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA i will admit that kazuma causes a loss of low end, but not to much to the point where its noticable. Not to me at least. but when kazuma hits high end the damn thing just fucking kicks sooooo hard. and i do know this from experience. I can honestly say that when i had the kazuma on i noticed major power increase, and the slight loss of low end was worth it.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347621 Dec 11, 1:26pm Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 283 RaptorGTS Member 2000 Toyota Celica RaptorGTS Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 283 maybe but not 20whp difference. Its about 12 like easy-c said

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback RaptorGTS #347622 Dec 11, 2:11pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA here is a dyno of a 2000 celica gts 6 speed with injen cai.. no muffler.. no acessory belt.. Last edited by BlkCelicaGT07; Dec 11, 2004 2:13pm.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347623 Dec 11, 2:12pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA here is a dyno of a 2000 celica gts 6 speed with JUST Injen CAI..

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347624 Dec 11, 2:14pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA not even sure how to read a dyno, and the first one is just no muffler but i figured id post these anyways.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347625 Dec 11, 3:06pm Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ you lose low end cause there's no cat and nothing else to back it up SUBARU TECNICA INTERNATIONAL

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback VSGTS14 #347626 Dec 11, 4:10pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA yeah but i think the high end gains are extremely worth losing a little low end.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347627 Dec 11, 4:25pm Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07 yeah but i think the high end gains are extremely worth losing a little low end. Try city driving with no low end TPR Intake! - Injens high end with AEM's low end and NO BOGGING! TPR EXHAUST! - Exhaust made 10.5 whp peak and 32 whp at 6300 on my car!!!

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Easy_C #347628 Dec 11, 5:03pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA Originally Posted by Easy_C Originally Posted by BlkCelicaGT07 yeah but i think the high end gains are extremely worth losing a little low end. Try city driving with no low end i did...not really a problem because the loss of low end isnt a very big loss at all. Last edited by BlkCelicaGT07; Dec 11, 2004 5:04pm.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347629 Dec 11, 7:02pm Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi VSGTS14 05 WRB 2005 Subaru WRX STi Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 10,110 Milford, NJ having good low and high end beats having a good high end. SUBARU TECNICA INTERNATIONAL

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback VSGTS14 #347630 Dec 11, 7:27pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA your right, thats why it doesnt bother me to have the kazuma, because the loss is so minimal its like there is no loss.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347631 Dec 11, 11:03pm Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 180 fullerton, ca Superstuddc27 Member Superstuddc27 Member Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 180 fullerton, ca yeah on that injen cai+no muffler dyno.. there's so much low end power loss i would never get that. Again, daily driving with be insane. I have problems with the STOCK low end power with daily driving and i find myself going all the way up to 4-5k rpm cause the low end power is so bad. the top end would be great to have but i think equal is better.

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Superstuddc27 #347632 Dec 12, 10:59am Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Easy_C Senior Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 476 Mass id sacrifice 2 whp up high to get 15 whp down low but to each his own TPR Intake! - Injens high end with AEM's low end and NO BOGGING! TPR EXHAUST! - Exhaust made 10.5 whp peak and 32 whp at 6300 on my car!!!

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback Easy_C #347633 Dec 12, 1:14pm Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT BlkCelicaGT07 FAT CAT 2000 Toyota Celica GT Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 686 Porter Ranch, CA

Re: TPR exhaust vs Catback BlkCelicaGT07 #347634 Dec 12, 7:48pm Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 394 Cleveland Vlad Member 2000 Toyota Celica Vlad Member 2000 Toyota Celica Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 394 Cleveland so wat would be good for down low

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