no offense to anyone, but since when has the trend been to avoid buying good quality tested products. It was always a goal to save money, but I don't think I've ever seen SO many people trying to avoid buying real products. Everyone seems to want an eBay intake, or wants to add a leafblower to their stock airbox or some other crazy idea. I remember it used to be short ram or cai, and what kind. Now it's become... what if I get a 1/4" drill bit and drill 4 holes here here and here, will THAT give me more HP? no. Ok, well I was talking to this guy from eBay and he said...
Yeah I got into with some people about ebay CAIs and Injen or AEM quality the other night. Everyone seems to be out of money or something. I don't know.
Well pretty much since "The Fast and the Furious" came out...the growth of interest in import (and some domestic) sport compacts has grown exponentially. Now almost every younger adult guy who owns a compact car wants to do SOMETHING to it so he can be like the type of guys in those movies. Because the percentage of people that can actually afford a decent sport compact AND add into it it's retail value worth of performance, cosmetic, I.C.E mods etc is very very small...you see most people trying to do as much as possible with as little as possible. Not many guys can afford the top of the line original parts...but too many guys DON'T realize that it isn't impressive to have a bunch of no-name 'performance parts' on your car which aren't even dyno proven...and probably decrease the performance from stock to be honest. I dunno probably too many people trying to be someone they aren't.
...at least that's my opinion
I'm sorta guilty of this...i mean i wouldn't have ever seen a 'ricer' if it wasn't for those movies...i mean...we're mostly hicks around here...but once i saw it i got obsessed and well i try to do what i can with what i can...but i would never put a leafblower in my car..
now i know this angry thread is kidna pointed toward me for somewhat advocating the purchasing of cheap products. In my defense, I promote it, but do not practice it. I know there are people who either cannot afford, are impaitent, or belive that lables are evil For these poor sad individuals, there are alternatives such as the blue bomber mod. I like to give poeple the opportunity to do these without persecution. You have to be open minded to waht people do to their cars. Its their car, if they want to make a 2x4 into a wing, and like it, then by god let them. hey it atleast gives the rest of us something to laugh at There are jsut to many judgemental people who need to let those who liek things the cheap way be themselves. if they liek it, thats all that shoudl matter. Thats prettymuch all i have to say on this subject and i appologiese for making you so angry tha tu had to make this forum
and yes i did poast the leafblower comment on another forum becsaue i saw a video o some guy who did it and i thought it was halarious. so as a joke i said you coudl jsut put a piece of pvc pipe on your engine, with ac filter as your intake. then have an adapter for leafblower some peopel need ot jsut sit back and enjoy life instead of being so criticle.
ps sorry for all bad typos and spelling, i am not really paying attention.
then there is just the less fortunate, who can't save enough to do real things. If the type of modifaction is in their budget and a ripoff then so what, for those people they give their heart and soul out there everyday working a 9-5 to support themselves and get by, so the only thing that can help them achieve their dreams while not bankrupting them is "no-name" or lesser quality parts. So before you start laying into some guy about his ebay body kit which is taking money from the real companys (like taking music on napster), maybe try and see it from his walk of life.
plus,one of the recent articles i read in one of those tuner mags(super street,import scene...one of them) had a top 10 list of tips for making a modded ride. On the list was ebay and its great variety of stuff and prices
the only fake part i've even considered buying is a wing. i was gonna buy a wings west v-line, but then when i saw the comparison thread between it and the TRD one, it made me change my mind, but i don't have the money to buy a reaql TRD wing, and i would rather spend less on one without the 3rd brake light (fake or otherwise) because i really don't need it.
if an avg joe feels good with his cheap mods, then dont ruin it by smashing down his pride. I agree that it started with F&F, but so what, if people have fun cheap modding their car let them be.
It has nothing to do with ebay, it is what they sell. Can you really get HP from a $35 exhaust? Nope. But when you go on ebay and buy a garrett turbo for 150 bucks cheaper then it is a good deal.
first yes you can get a $35 exhaust. type in apexi or greddy; there are 1000's .Second, yeah I feel you about a man that cant afford mods, but dont come out and brag about how you have an exhaust that added 10-15 HP. Just complete ignorance. I guess ignorance is what annoys me more than anything.
in agree, if you buy cheap, dont expect to outprofrom something that is tested tuned and full of power. but i dont think people shoudl be alienated for not having the best. if someone is ignorant and claiming their $0.01 + $40 shipping exhaust will outdo a trd/tpr then you smack them around a bit for the fun of it.
i have an ebay intake and i know it doesnt give me a lot of power but its prolly more effective than a SRI...alot of people just inquiry about it bc they want to do the bluebomber mod, all i do is tell them about how my experience was and that i like it...IMO it makes more since to spend 30 dollars or less and do the bluebomber mod than doing it with the 100+ intake...
i'd bet it woudl prob outdo a sri. i like mine becsaue i think it looks and soudns spiffy that and rmm makes some good stuff. Also florida, esp where i am from is natorious for flooding. See now if ur like tido, ur happy with what you have and the money you have left over, then by gummit good for you.
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Hey if it looks good and fits right, I say do it. I don't think every person tries to save a penny, maybe some do, but I think the majority of people just have creative minds and want to design new things. Everybody wants to by the brand everybody else has or what the market is advertising. I know quite a few people that make there own stuff for there cars and it looks damn good. If you have the idea, well give it a shot, it doesn't hurt to try right.
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i'd bet it woudl prob outdo a sri. i like mine becsaue i think it looks and soudns spiffy that and rmm makes some good stuff. Also florida, esp where i am from is natorious for flooding. See now if ur like tido, ur happy with what you have and the money you have left over, then by gummit good for you.
im not hatin on the SRI at all man! sorry if i came across like i do, i am happy with what i got and just bc someone says ebay intakes suck and not worth it doesnt mean its always true..if someone with a AEM intake wanted to race me with my ebay intake, i bet he wont win..not sayin i would win either...point is...i hope you guys dont think that bc i got the cheap CAI that you can beat me...lol..bc thats ignorance...
lol no no bro it didnt come across that you were hating on sri i was just stating my opinion aobut my own all is good i say good for u. "dman the man, save the empire"
now i know this angry thread is kidna pointed toward me for somewhat advocating the purchasing of cheap products. In my defense, I promote it, but do not practice it. I know there are people who either cannot afford, are impaitent, or belive that lables are evil For these poor sad individuals, there are alternatives such as the blue bomber mod. I like to give poeple the opportunity to do these without persecution. You have to be open minded to waht people do to their cars. Its their car, if they want to make a 2x4 into a wing, and like it, then by god let them. hey it atleast gives the rest of us something to laugh at There are jsut to many judgemental people who need to let those who liek things the cheap way be themselves. if they liek it, thats all that shoudl matter. Thats prettymuch all i have to say on this subject and i appologiese for making you so angry tha tu had to make this forum
sorry for the long quote. I promise this thread isn't pointed at you. I think you're a great guy and have no probs with you. I forget that it was you who posted the leaf blower thing, i remember watching it and laughing my ass off. The point I was making is for some reason it seems there are more and more people that don't see that as a joke, but as a decent idea. It's not so much the people that get the things that get me upset, but it's the people that propegate products that are bad for your car or give out false information because they think they know everything. I think that's what really gets me. Is when someone gets their head filled with shit because someone thinks they know everything about cars cause they watched the Fast and the Furious. This topic came more from a convo I was having with a Euro tuner friend of mine about one of his friends who thinks he's God's gift to cars. I promise it's not about you. I've just been trying to clear up a lot of misonceptions lately and felt the need to vent. The timing was bad and made it seem like it was your fault. I think you're a great guy.
awwwww . makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside no problem bro. all a misunderstanding. i undertsand where your coming from. jsut bad timing with the other thread we were chatting on. We all need ot be able to express our feeling without persecution. thats the point of this whoel free speach thing. us friggin americans and our rights . and we all need to vent every now and then
^ yeah that's definately true Lucky, it's all about research. It's kinda like Easy-C and what I was saying before. I really respect him for making it happen for him and his business. I think the timing of the whole situation just put a bad taste in my mouth with TPR. Once the thing really starts up I think it stands to make some real advancements. I just wish more new people did real research instead of just running their mouths with catch phrases and buzzwords and stuff.
I understand where you are coming from but for me, I do not mind it at all. I just think of it as user pref. This goes for all things, not just modding the Celi. If a guy have a shitty job when compared to yours but he is satisfied with it, so be it. If a guy have an ugly looking girl in your point of view, so be it. If a guy has a cheap knock off intake but he is satisfied with it, then be it.
I mean, most of us, well I am speaking on my behalf, do not have that much spending money when it comes down to modding my ride. I have tons of other crap to pay for. When I purchase something for my car that is like $15 bucks or something, like the S2K antenna, I feel real good about it. Does not matter how much it cost.
i have a ebay sri despite shitty instructions it works perfectly fine came with a k&n in the box looks exatly like the injen sri
jsut because its cheap doesn't mean its shitty
hey thats a 20 minute phone call "if i have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants" derek: do you know that non dairy cream is flamable Jennie: ...derek..what did you do
I would rather wait five months and buy a $200 TPR CAI than to go out and buy a $35 dollar peice of shit that somebody made in there garage. I believe in buying dyno proven, quality parts that have been tested. The reason Injen and AEM intakes are expensive is because you are paying for not only the materials, but the time invested and designing and testing before the final product is released. Why do you think turbo kits cost so much? It costs a lot of time and money to do all that research and making parts from scratch. You get what you pay for and I am willing to spend a little extra money.
I would rather wait five months and buy a $200 TPR CAI than to go out and buy a $35 dollar peice of shit that somebody made in there garage. I believe in buying dyno proven, quality parts that have been tested. The reason Injen and AEM intakes are expensive is because you are paying for not only the materials, but the time invested and designing and testing before the final product is released. Why do you think turbo kits cost so much? It costs a lot of time and money to do all that research and making parts from scratch. You get what you pay for and I am willing to spend a little extra money.
i don't remember who did it first or what but i do remember seeing blue bombers ebay intake mod which is basically the excat same thing as the tpr jsut kinda thrown togeater they both get most there benifits from using the fins liek the stock air box to help get the air smooth and to hit maf correctly
hey thats a 20 minute phone call "if i have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants" derek: do you know that non dairy cream is flamable Jennie: ...derek..what did you do
ok, while we are on the subject i am 20 and i own a house a truck and my celica i am married, and i have baby so that doesnt leave a lot of money left over for my passion of cars. granted i would never do anything to my car that i havent researched a lot so whoever puts a leafblower in their car is not helping their cause for more hp if they would do the research but if something is inexpensive and in my pricerange and is better than stock then why not get it but if you dont have a lot of money to spend then spend it wisely on a good product -for the record fast and furious cant be blamed for everything i for one have loved cars ever since i can remember but i am sure that back in the hot rod days people were doing stupid things and there was no fast and furious...
Yeah I got into with some people about ebay CAIs and Injen or AEM quality the other night. Everyone seems to be out of money or something. I don't know.
ok, while we are on the subject i am 20 and i own a house a truck and my celica i am married, and i have baby so that doesnt leave a lot of money left over for my passion of cars. granted i would never do anything to my car that i havent researched a lot so whoever puts a leafblower in their car is not helping their cause for more hp if they would do the research but if something is inexpensive and in my pricerange and is better than stock then why not get it but if you dont have a lot of money to spend then spend it wisely on a good product -for the record fast and furious cant be blamed for everything i for one have loved cars ever since i can remember but i am sure that back in the hot rod days people were doing stupid things and there was no fast and furious...
That's def. true. The way I see it though, some things that are cheao can be BAD for your car, know what I mean. For me I paid for my car and I pay for all the stuff I do to it, like most people on here. It seems irresponsible to take a piece of machinery that you could have spent around $25,000 for, and then start throwing on $35 exhausts and intakes just because. It's not so much that people do it, it's that this proliforates the idea that everything in autos is the same and it's not. There is a difference between a well designed intake and just some random pipe that ends up in your wheel well. Will both SOUND the same sure, but SOUND doesn't mean performance, moreover, just cause your car feels better doesn't necessarily mean it is actually better. It's one thing to do something tacky that others don't believe in, it's another thing to compromise the mechanical integrity of your vehicle.
It's one thing to do something tacky that others don't believe in, it's another thing to compromise the mechanical integrity of your vehicle.
Amen brother! I think everyone wants QUALITY parts. Thats a good thing. We all just have to keep in mind that there are quality parts out there, but a leaf blower is quality when used on leafs, not engines. I know that there are some people who defend products that don't cost as much, but sometimes you gotta pay for the reseach that went into the products we buy. If it wasn't for Injen or AEM's engineers doing all the research, then we wouldn't have the ebay CAI. I know that everyone isn't rich. Thats why it took me 3 months since I've had my GTS to buy a CAI. I could have bought an ebay one for under $50, but I wanted performance. So I SAVED my money. What a concept? I'm sure we all work hard to make the payments for our cars, so why can't we save a little for the parts we put on? Thats the problem. We all want it now.
so can someone tell me the point of buying a 200 intake if your gonna drop a turbo in it????? i thought the turbo kit came with an intake...if it does come with the kit, then thats the reason i bought the ebay intake...
do you even have a celica???? lookin at your profile...looks like you said you have a mazda...
and since when did tuning your car become about pleasing other people?? so you have go ask someone if you can put parts in your car??? i always thought tuning was about being unique, and different...
why do anything to your car if you plan on doing a turbo set up??? 50 dollars wont even cover shipping...im point is a lot of people try to go n/a and start buying headers, intake, the works...then they go turbo...they just wasted all that money...thats what im getting at...
so can someone tell me the point of buying a 200 intake if your gonna drop a turbo in it????? i thought the turbo kit came with an intake...if it does come with the kit, then thats the reason i bought the ebay intake...
I was just using your logic on this one. Why buy a $50 intake then?
im not gonna put a leaf blower or anything on...i've never heard of that till this thread...how much hp is your aem intake getting over my ebay intake? is it a 10+ gain???
the reason i got the ebay intake was bc of this site..i saw that at least 3/4 of the members here get cels or other problems from thier intakes...like AEM, INJEN, TPR, and even ebay...i heard that a couple of ways were take it to a mechanic or do the bluebomber mod... i dont have time to do the mechanic bc i work mid shift which is 11-7am..when i get off work im sleep till ike 4 in the afternoon...my only option is bluebomber mod...now you know the prices of all these intakes, now tell me which one would you buy after hearing all this? thats why i went with ebay...i dont want to buy a 200 dollar intake and end up cuttin it up for that mod..thats stupid..i'd rather do it with the ebay one...and luckily i havent had any problems...thats why i say the ebay intake is working for me...i dont put trash parts on my car..i do reaseach like anyother tuner..and if you say that the ebay intake is trash thats your opinion...we can argue that all day...thats like saying,"yeah we should have never gotten rid of slavery"..of course its not that serious but i hope you get what im saying..
im not gonna put a leaf blower or anything on...i've never heard of that till this thread...how much hp is your aem intake getting over my ebay intake? is it a 10+ gain???
^^^i guess thats kinda like the electric supercharged intake i saw in the back of super street magazine!!! theres a bunch or stuff back there...does the tornado actually work at all??
nope. neither works. you may ber .1hp foer the elsectric one well actually noone realy know. there isnt a persoin here who has boughgt the electric one and tested it. it has been on liek a thousand forums. the verdic is that the fans cannot produce enough pressure to affect anything much
From all I've heard, the tornados really don't do much. Maybe you'd feel it, maybe you wouldn't. Its more of a gamble than a proven thing. I wouldn't mess with it. I'd rather something else to make the car look nice or my favorite... beer.
so can someone tell me the point of buying a 200 intake if your gonna drop a turbo in it????? i thought the turbo kit came with an intake...if it does come with the kit, then thats the reason i bought the ebay intake...
A turbo is forced air, there is no "cold air intake" the turbo and turbo kit IS the means of getting air into your engine. If you plan on buying one, which it sounds like you are, I'd suggest learning more about it.
From all I've heard, the tornados really don't do much. Maybe you'd feel it, maybe you wouldn't. Its more of a gamble than a proven thing. I wouldn't mess with it. I'd rather something else to make the car look nice or my favorite... beer.
It does nothing. It's an idea that is not mechanically sound. It is designed to trap people that have no idea how a car engine or F/A works.
because people don't care, they are greedy they don't want to take the time to do something right and have others appreciate it, they would rather get it said and done, then just know the fact that they "have" it. i hate fake shit.
so can someone tell me the point of buying a 200 intake if your gonna drop a turbo in it????? i thought the turbo kit came with an intake...if it does come with the kit, then thats the reason i bought the ebay intake...
A turbo is forced air, there is no "cold air intake" the turbo and turbo kit IS the means of getting air into your engine. If you plan on buying one, which it sounds like you are, I'd suggest learning more about it.
thats what im doing right now! i know it doesnt come with a CAI, i meant intake in general...i do plan on buying one next year, thats why i want to try to prepare it as much as possible..dont you have to get a special type of intake for a turbo? would it be benefical to get a turbo exhaust or would it just be wasting money on buying it now w/o the turbo?? since my intake didnt cost much i wont feel like i've wasted my money on it...
well when you install your turbo you're going to install an exhaust manifold, so even if you bought a "turbo exhaust system" as in the whole system you wouldn't be able to install it yet.
I have to go with most on this one, i too hate fake shit, but in my case, the only option i had for my intake was ebay. Sure, all i have right now is the cone air filter, but to get any further than that, i had to get the maf sensor adaptor, and the only place i could find that was ebay with the crapy filter. I plan on getting a k&n to replace that, but i'm not working now and it's hard to find an extra $50 for a air filter when i need that same money for insurance and gas. I'm not saying that the ebay shit's good, but for some of the older celicas, that's the only option or the only available first step to get to better parts. But when it comes to rip off brands when real are redally avaible, i think that your a dumbass for buying shit. The way i look at rip off parts is this- $200 for original vs $50 for fake +$25 for random parts to make it fit +$50 to replace when fake shits on you +$25 for the same random parts just for the fake to shit on you again +$75 doing it over once again +$200 for the original because your sick of the fake shitting out on you
Sure, a lot of things actually work when thier fake, but when it actually does something other than look cool, your asking for trouble.
Now, i have to say that my underbody lights are ebay fakes(actually liteglows with the name removed), but i can't see the point in spending a extra $100 for name being on the lights that are illegal to begin with. That is one thing I only bought because of the price, and if it wasn't for that, i wouldn't have even gotten it to begin with. But incase anyone cares, when i get a 7th gen in a year or so, i'm not getting an ebay intake for that.
^^^^theres a lot of shit in your post!!!( i mean literly..you said shit alot..lol) i havent had to pay extra for any parts my ebay intake..it hasnt gone to crap on me yet, i've had it for about 2 months now..but if it does go to crap, i can still put my factory intake back on it and i wont feel like i've blown 200+ dollars...guys its just an intake! if i start buying mufflers from wal-mart or pep boys and stuff like that then, by all means, tear me a new one...my intake was of good quality, the cone sucks but i can get that replaced..everybody knocks on ebay products like its bad or something! why would you get mad at me bc you spent over 500 bucks for your stuff and i spent 300 for the same quality as you..just bc i dont have a sticker that says AEM? we put a lot of emphasis on names...just because we dont have the most popular brand part on our cars most people say it sucks..has anybody heard or RS*R? cusco? invidia? ARC? if you do then you know what im talking about. what i dont get is when people degrade products on here say..have you tested the ebay intake? a lot of you say it was made in someones garage..well if you took off the sticker of a brand name intake and put it next to mine you couldnt tell the difference by looking at it...its the same as buying from makoautotrends.com or anyother website like that..
^^^ The sticker that says "AEM" means that AEM took the time and effort to spend money RESEARCHING different diameters, legnths, bends, and turns to see what worked better and where it made the most gains. Obviously you don't understand that spending the extra money for something that is PROVEN to work is better than buying something that might not work or doing some stupid ass "blue ricer" mod.
were you at the factory when they made the intake?? well my dumbass intake that i have actually works...when it comes to other parts like the exhaust and engine enternals like fuel rail and spark plugs etc. i always take the time and see whats compatible, pefromance, failure rate and quality of the part. i dont put much means in a intake bc i plan on doing a turbo set up next year and the kit comes with an inake already..if i was gonna go n/a, yeah i would have an AEM part like you, but it doesnt make since for me to buy that expensive brand when i'll have to sell it for less than what i paid for it or not use it at all...my intake might not have came with a dyno of it, but its been performing like a top notch brand..and if i have a cel in the near future, the stocks goin back on..i lost, what, 30 bucks? we spend more on that going to the movies...
i havent had to pay extra for any parts my ebay intake..it hasnt gone to crap on me yet, i've had it for about 2 months now..
No, i'm not reffering to the fake brand intakes, the only thing that can really go bad there is the filter, i'm just refering to fake brand parts in general. At this point the rip off companies have had time to take the original and dupplicate it so where, like you said, side by side you can't tell the difference. if it's a new product, don't trust the ripoffs, thats when they screw up and end up costing more. The whole thing that i'm against with the rip off companies is that they don't know shit about why it works this way, they just know that's how the big companies do it, so they do it the same. The main thing that i don't like about rip off companies is that they take another companies design, make the same thing(identical in most cases) and sell it for hundreds of $ cheaper. When companies do this, they take the buisness from the big companies, bring them less money for thier products, and in turn delaying or even preventing the release of a better product that would help more in the long run. the big companies arn't making all the money that they should make from thier products, so they most times don't see a market for that type of product anymore, and never make new things. It could also cause the opposit to happen though, and they could see it as compition and want to make more, better products than the rip off companies, but most times things don't go that way.
i understand what your saying...i do believe there are ripoff companies and then again there are actually those who want you to save money...the big companies make it hard for a little company to be put on the map..what if a guy makes a better intake than AEM and doesnt want to sell it AEM? he just wants to patient it and sell it himself for cheaper so he can help the other less forunate tuners who cant afford that 200 bucks intake? i know these companies are hard to find but i do believe the exist!!
Yea they exist, and in many different areas they do flourish, sometimes more than others. Ex. In the world of profesional video editing, the industry standard is program is "finalcut pro". "finalcut pro" only works on mac and only with thier hardware. A few people from that company tried to get the company to expand, make the program for windows and make it work with hardware that the user chooses, but the company refused. The group than broke apart form the company, started sonic foundry, and wrote the program for windows("vegas video"), made it work with any hardware and sold it for a fraction of the cost. Because of this, they stole a huge chunk of the market form "finalcut pro". This story is also similar with audio programs "pro tools" and "cooledit pro". Both "cooledit pro" and "vegas video" have since been bought out by biger companies (cooledit by pinical, and vegas(made by sonic foundry) by sony) The point of that is to show that the rip off companies sometimes do want to save you money, and sometimes get big, but always at the expense of the original conpany. Also, if anyone knows about the lack of money for stuff right now, it's me. theres so much i need to do to my car, but i'm not working, so i'd have to just save my money(which is quickly going away)and buy the real thing.
either way eiher the small company screws the larger company and vice versa...i just like to try the smaller companies out..bc they usually are better than the orginal...
But if a man who can only afford a $35 exhaust makes him feel spiffy then thats good for him.
I think if a $35 exhaust that sounds like a motor scooter and loses hp can make somone feel spiffy...then the rest of their life must be a total blow, and i'm sorry for them
I think some of you guys are making EXCELLENT points supporting cheap mods...but also i think maybe you're missing the point and getting your feathers ruffled over it. I think this thread is mostly pointed at the guys who do dumb shit to their cars to try to make it better but fail miserably because they didn't spend time to do it themselves or get a good product. For me..hell...the cheaper the better..but it's gotta work. I think this thread is for the people who are so concerened with appearance and false bragging rights that they don't care about reality. Like guys who drill holes in their muffler to make it louder...or take off their intake box & filter to say they have short ram...guys who chop their stock springs in half to lower it... guys who put an unfinished metal spoiler on their car that is rusting...
I think that's the stuff we're talking about here...not modding an ebay intake to perform better than manufactured ones...if you can do something yourself for cheap that is better than stock...and especially if it is better than any other aftermarket part...i don't care what it is...props to you...YOU should be the one making big bucks with people putting stickers with your name on, on their cars
I think that people should make there one choices... I have always believed in sticking with name-brand things and doing it right the first time because i found you buy off brand stuff it wears out quicker... but everyone has to find this out... and if they find something that is a $50 intake instead of the $150 i paid for mine and it lasts just as long as mine good job to them... Some people don't have the budget our patience to save up for the real parts... but let them find it out for there own...
celidragon go on newcelicaDOTorg and go in intalls under "prefect CIA" or somehting to that affect. prettymuich you chop up your stock aribox for the tube part with teh MAF. then stick that ony our intake. soposed ot limit obgging and CEL. Ask tido for more info. i havetn done it so no experience.
i really think we need to end this thread. its just an endless debate back and forth. noone is going to compromise or change their minds. i say we all ignore it and start on something more productive. we all love cleicas, we all love modding them. cant we all jsut get along
I can understand where the initial post and feelings from there are coming from. There have been VS. dynos with all intakes. There have been VS. dynos will a new intake. There have been dynos left and right if you know where to look. I can understand that, by the way the E-Bay CAI is suppose to be the same as AEM. That's heresay on my part too. Tornado is crap. The CAI has been modified and scrutinized and glorified by some members of the Celica community. Who knows the real truth here on this? No one, I can can presume. It all comes down to a load of heresay and people cashing in. A CAI won't cause you to shatter ground speed records or beat a Vette of the line. The sound and the knowledge of some WHP gain from any of the intakes should be piece of mind to anyone, but some want it all. The Cel is just a myth for intakes as far as I'm concerned. Everything else is based on greed.
some may say.."why buy a toyota instead of a porsche? do you really think your 4 banger ricer is fast? why spend money on a car like that anyway? isnt that just a cheap alternative for a fast car." -not everyone has the same amount of cash- i like my celica, its what i can afford, and i love it, i worked for it. i'm 19 and i don't have your "cheap generic homemade" equipment on my car now. on my first celica gts (1990)i did tho, i made a CAI out of PVC and a conical filter..and i liked it..i think it worked i brought it to the same location as the CAI's, facing the same direction, and wrapped it in a heat reflective covering, drilled for the MAF...eat my ass if you don't think thats cool or right,it sounded good and i think it performed better than stock...and i liked doing the process... i didnt do it to please you..and some of my friends have similar things... and they are the same age, and can't afford ferrari's or TRD or AEM.. they bought ebay and they are happy with it, why do you care? they work there asses off and don't have daddy hand it to them, and they appreciate their stuff, and will work hard to get that expensive ride and expensive parts..everyone has to start somewhere man.. go them!
don't get me wrong, i like tasteful cars, parts, things, and women, but who's to say my taste is everyones?
if your into performance...all that matters is that it does what it's supposed to do (i.e. add power).
there isn't much debate to talk about though...a properly made cai is only gonna get you about 2-4 whp anyway (without e/h). and it's also not going to be anything you can actually FEEL (if you think you 'feel the extra power' thats just your mind playing tricks on you). you'll just be able to hear the difference (usually a deeper, throatier exhaust sound).
so if he took his pvc-made intake to a dyno and made a 3 whp improvement..that's just as good as any injen or aem intake can do. it's just a dyno game..without that we can argue forever
FOUND IT!!!!!!! The is the most functional, tested, dyno proven and most elite intake on the market. i suggest everyone sell thier AEM, injen, RMM, tpr, and ebay intakes and save up for one of these amazing things !!!!!
by the by mxsuperfly, I just turned 20 and I saved for 4 years to by my car when I was 17 and save for a long time to afford all of my parts. Just so you understand I'm coming from the same place as you.
My point isn't that someone has the parts. But that someone tries to shit on someone whose saving for decent parts or talks shit about quality parts trying to say it's all the same.
^^^ I Totally wouldn't either, but if say someone dynoed and tested the generic E-Bay CAI compared to say the AEM and the performance was close to if not the same. Would that change your tune?
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For these poor sad individuals, there are alternatives such as the blue bomber mod. I like to give poeple the opportunity to do these without persecution. You have to be open minded to waht people do to their cars. Its their car, if they want to make a 2x4 into a wing, and like it, then by god let them. hey it atleast gives the rest of us something to laugh at 
hey even that too. if it makes you feel spiffy then go ahead.
. and we all need to vent every now and then
thats why i went with ebay...i dont want to buy a 200 dollar intake and end up cuttin it up for that mod..thats stupid..i'd rather do it with the ebay one...and luckily i havent had any problems...thats why i say the ebay intake is working for me...i dont put trash parts on my car..i do reaseach like anyother tuner..and if you say that the ebay intake is trash thats your opinion...we can argue that all day...thats like saying,"yeah we should have never gotten rid of slavery"..of course its not that serious but i hope you get what im saying.. 
we put a lot of emphasis on names...just because we dont have the most popular brand part on our cars most people say it sucks..has anybody heard or RS*R? cusco? invidia? ARC? if you do then you know what im talking about. what i dont get is when people degrade products on here say..have you tested the ebay intake? a lot of you say it was made in someones garage..well if you took off the sticker of a brand name intake and put it next to mine you couldnt tell the difference by looking at it...its the same as buying from makoautotrends.com or anyother website like that..
