Celica Forums General Discussion Engine and Performance 1zz cams FINALLY!

THANK YOU BRIAN CROWER!!!!! they even have titanium retainers...

I'm trying to get the picture clear... its basically like this...

To: "Steven Black" <sblack82@mail.com>
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Subject: Re: 1zz camshafts???
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:49:24 -0800

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See attached pdf file.

Pricing is $438 for the pair, $356 for the spring and titanium retainer kit.

Cams are new blanks (intake and exhaust), fully tested.

Thanks for your interest in Crower,

Crower Cams & Equipment Co Inc
6180 Business Center Court
San Diego CA 92154-5604 USA
Phone: 619-661-6477
Fax: 619-661-6466
http://www.crower.com

AWESOME!! It is about time, i love it!

What about the 2ZZ???

...^^^^ tpr

stage 1: Street use with emphasis on bottom to mid-range power...can be used with stock retainers and stock rev-limiter. RPM range idle to 7000+ rpm. Lobe Center 114 DEG. Duration is 268 / 260... even though stock is 274 / 260...however, duration at .050" of lift stock is 204 / 195... and stage 1 is 220 / 209

Stage 2: Designed specifically for supercharger / turbo, and their Titanium retainers must be used with the cams...duration is 262 / 262, and 211/211 at .050" of lift

Stage 3: Spring / Retainer kit required...Designed for street/Strip NA engines...rev range 1000 rpm to 7800 plus...duration is 272 / 272!!! and at .050" of lift they are at 224 / 224...lobe duration is 112 DEG.

STAGE 4, FULL RACE::: Spring / retainer kit required...RADICAL track use, requires ECU upgrade...rough idle...a gigantic 280 / 280duration at .010" of lift...and 232 / 232 at .050" of lift... FINALLY...THANK GOD...and Crower

no information on the 2zz...as they claim it is hard to reproduce...I'm currently arguing with them on this one right now...

the only real difference in the 2zz lift cam and a vtec cam is that the vtec cams have 3 lobes and the lift cams have 2...and they are producing the 3 lobe vtec cams right and left!!!!!..I don't see why they are having such trouble

awesome! maybe they mentioned this but a lot of that i didnt understand. but what are the estimated gains?

we need some for 2zz

I want to order some, is there a link to the website

thanks

cant wait to see a dyno on those puppies

Are they even taking orders for that yet? link for more info would be nice.

just when i think i'm startin to actually becoming half-way knowledgeable about my car... can someone please explain cams to me? i know i've heard of them many times before, bit i dont really know how they work, what they do exactly, where they go, what gains they give, etc... any help guys?

they will not do 2zz cams they are too expensive to make.

this is an email response I got on 12/17/04

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Nothing for the 2ZZ, only the 1ZZ.

The 2ZZ cam core is very difficult to reproduce.

Thanks for your interest in Crower,

Crower Cams & Equipment Co, Inc
6180 Business Center Court
San Diego, CA 92154-5604 USA
Tel: 619-661-6477
Fax: 619-661-6466
www.crower.com [crower.com]

another email I got said the cost/benefit was not good enough so it wont happen.

better hope TPR or ForcedFed is sucessful in their attempts.

ahhhh...sorry to hear that mike...any yes the 1zz are available for purchase...go to www.crower.com...they [crower.com...they] aren't listed under the toyota menu...but if you email info@crower.com they will send you the same information...I'd say the easiest thing would be to get the number and call them and place the order...these are gonna rock...JUST gotta get the money together...and the $1,000 for the install

good for the 1zz people but us 2zz people are screwed so you gt s will probably end up faster than us if they keep making the parts for you and even if they do make the parts for us they are way more expensive

ehhhh...maybe only with forced induction...I've been talking to a company that is running numbers on a 1zz stroker kit for me too... hehehehehehehehe

if celica gts owners were interested in modding their cars as much as rsx-s owners...we'd have cams

Yeah Forcedfed is siad they should be out soon, but with a price tag of 1200-1400 bucks.

same with tpr

yup same with tpr lol although he's lookin at 1100 - 1200

I can't believe you're gonna pay $1000 for the install of the cams

^^^^^ I don't know...it was a guess...I've never done headwork before, and when I had it built I had everything done all at once...most places around here charge $450 for a simple swap of fully assembled heads... and I was thinking about the stage 3 setup...they'd have to pretty much build it again

...IM interested!!!!! shoot...

i wanna see some gains and dynos

OHHH Sooo sweeet!!!! I am going to order a st2 turbo cam set asap and let you guys know!

^^^sweet.

sweet, and I thought the GT's werent special w00t

dang 1100-1300 bux for cams! just because they know we'll pay that much for them doesnt mean they have to charge it...

yes im going to save up for them go 1zz engines

When are they comin out? Last I heard, not for a while.

what are the usual gains on cams...
i heard something for gts that it could make it 240 whp

240hp of just cams i highly doubt that usually its 5-15hp

I don't understand this. They can build new and better internals for 1ZZ but not 2ZZ. Companies have lost their damn minds to not develop parts for a car thats been around since '72.

that's what i thought
guess who i heard it from...

Pricing is $438 for the pair, $356 for the spring and titanium retainer kit

what do they mean pairs? and would you need to get the spring and titanium retainer kit? pretty much am i going to be saving closer to 900 bucks for the cams or just 438?

Who did you hear 240whp from? If it was me, then i really dont know what HP figure was made. My shop at the time was a fraud so lord knows if they told the truth about that

heard it from a friend from you, but its ok

so only 5-15 hp would be an expected gain?? freakin xpensive for that little gain

yes it is...if its only that little i dont think it would be worth it.

^^ nobody knows the gains yet cause they arent out. peopl eare speculating.

also if you think they are charging $1100 - $1400 cause they think you'll pay it youre nuts.

crower stated their reasoning is difficulty. they obviously have an unlimited time and budget.

believe me when I say these ARE NOT CHEAP to make. especially in the measly 10 - 20 per order quantities. you're lucky they are coming out at all.

basically every company's opinion is that the juice is not worth the squeeze.

the 2zz cam is NOT a bad cam. it's also a very well developed cam so it's gonna be very difficult to make a better one du to the materials and setup of the stock system.

kinda off topic, but can the rev limiter be changed on the GT?

this will creat a reason for the GT owners to invest in the power fc. with tha tyour answer is yes.

how much more hp gain do you think you could get if you hit 8krpm in GT?

a bagillion

damn. why get a turbo when i can just do that

I think 438 is a good price for 5-15whp. Look at how much gains you get from an intake, exhaust, header, pullies, etc. NA cars are expensive to mod, but more safe...in my opinion. I think that the cams will provide more benefits than an I/H/E setup. Plus, I am sure that there will be a bit of a torque/acceleration gain much better than i/h/e. I'm just defending the price.

Just my 2 cents

Dan

^wow, last time i saw you post was sooo long ago dude

yea, its been a while. I'm back though.

this makes me wish I had a GT