Celica Forums General Discussion Exterior Custom Short Throw!

Where I work at there are some machinest, so I took them my B&M Short Throw, asked em if they could cut off about an inch and half. Well they did, and it is short as shit!
Here are some pics!

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2nd

how's the stiffness going? that's really short are you comfortable with it?

Stiffness is perfect with new bushings that came with the shifter. As far as being comfortable with it, it is better then ever, I love being able to shift so quickly. I think if it got any shorter, it would be a little to much though.

whats the point? just to make it shorter? cause cutting it wont make the throw any shorter

I think it looks great that short. Good job. Wonder how hard it would be to make the shift boot shorter so it's not so folded up?

Hehehe...The shorter you go the more stiff you're gonna feel. Oh well...good job on your SS. It looks good.

Cutting it does make the throw shorter. Come drive my car, and then a car with a orginal B&M short throw. You will notice the difference, a a lot shorter throw. When I first put the B&M in I didnt put the new bushing in, and it was loose. I put the bushings in when i got it shortned again and it is stiffer. Thought it was because of the bushings.

the only way you can get a shorter throw is if you change the armature of the lever Its basic physics and has been cover 1000000000000 billion times on this forum, just ask anyone who knows what they are talking about

It's obvious he did SOMETHING to make it that short bro...Take a look

it looks like my twm now

btw what did you have to do to get xm installed? i went and checked and it would be like 160 dollars in parts just to madapt it to my xm ready head unit

looks great... i wish i had stick.

was it hard to shorten it like that? I was thinking about doing that on my 86 gts because no one makes a short shifter for it, but i was nervous about screwing it up.

untill you get into the mountains... around here

Wrong. Think about it. If you had a shifter that was a 3 feet long, and one that was 4 inches long, which do you think you could shift faster? Which would you think wouldn't have to travel as far to shift? Do I need to draw a picture? Would that help? OK I WILL!

nice illistration, makes common sence visable to those less fortunate that don't have it. My only question is what is there to a short shifter other than it being shorter? I mean is it bent more towards the driver or is it exactly the same (except for hight)?

I took it to a professional machienest who done it in like 2 hours. It looks professional...
And as far as the shift not being shorter, as Rocketman explained, it is much shorter bro. Im not saying your stupid, Im just saying what I know. Shifting now is basically a flick of the wrist.

dansgts, nothings different, shifting and everything is the same just a shorter distance between gears, and ofcourse hight.

Oh yuh, the XM Radio, Thats just a regular XM reciever, and I got an XM FM Mogulater, cost about 50 bucks and plugs into the antenna part.

Looks crapy right now because I dont have my new CD Player yet, ordered the Kenwood Double Din touch screen the other day, should be in soon. Gonna be sweet, got the Kenwood 811D amp, I can control fan speed, look at temperature, and control the amp completely from the CD player...cant wait!

so just cutting down the stock shifter would be the same right? I'd rather not fuck with it before i know for sure.

Yuh thats exactly what it is. A shorter shifter than stock. Mines probably 4, 4 1/2 inches shorter than stock.

cool, thanks for the help, I'll have to shorten mine soon.

i knwo this was kinda answered and probably in other forms, but might as well ask now. so if i have a shop chop 4" of my stock shifter, woudl it work? and woudl it work smoothly?

^^^i'm curious too..but you would need new bushing since stock is too loose..too much play..

caleb is getting one of his friends to cut down the rod on his B&M shifter too...looks good really short like that

Not necessarily...

that is not the point, it will be a bittlelittle faster to shift any way, and it will feel faster and stiffer

if you chop 4 inches off your stock shifter your a retard. it would be super stiff when shifting you would loosen the assembly. A real short shifter replaces the bar and makes the pivot point higher up and replaces the rubber bushings with aluminum ones that raise the assembly (twm at least from what i have). theres tons of old threads about this proving it would make it shorter and slightly decrease difference between gears on the top half and make it very stiff and hard to move but in the end its just and that picture above^^ we dont have frickin 3 foot long shifters going to 4 inch long ones its not gonna make that dramatic of a difference at all just chopping it.

Think of it as an uneven teeter totter with the pivot point closer to one end and imagine lifting the longer end by pushing on the shorter end, its gonna be harder to do unless you move the pivot point along with shortening it.


theres my take on this. im not dissing you for chopping an aftermarket one, just saying a stock one would just be not worth it IN MY OPINION.

ok, than what would you say i do when there is no aftermarket short shifter for the 4th generation celica?

alittle harsh but informative. i didnt say i was going to do it, i was just curious what it would do. That is the reason for a ? form. Thanks again for the info. goodluck dangts for finding something. hopefully someone can help out

Well I really didnt chop my shifter lol. Where the threads are on the shifter it is like a .015 of an inch thicker then the rest of the shifter. So we put it on a laid and laid it down to make like a little shaft/rod type thing. Then we drilled a whole in the bottom portion of the shifter, a little smaller then the shaft. Froze the shaft with nitrogen and heated the bottom portion, put the frozen shaft in the hole and heated it back, so it is press fitted. Then welded it up, and laided it back down again.

As far as it being stiff, its perfect, I dont know what yall are talkin about it being stiff...Its kinda tough, but nothing bad. I like it alot, Hell it dont need to be loose with the gears right beside each other.

HAHA nice rocketman...I was just opening up the paint program to draw it as soon as i read it...then i'm like well lemme check to make sure someone else didn't cover it and make me create a double post. Yeah it should be slightly harder to actually shift...but i'm sure it isn't much..and if you muscle through it you can shift shorter...faster...awesome mod

in your situation i would say cutting it may be the only accesable option. it will shorten it a bit and look better, but will take more muscle to shift. and if you can find anywhere that makes aftermarket bushings for it it would be worth it to stiffen the asselmbly up then it still isnt mushy when shifting

^^^yah. shortening your stock rod is only one part. have some shop fabricate some bushings.

or just have a shop fabricate a short shifter kit for your 4th gen, Dan.

Yuh any machine shop should be able to do it easily, and quickly. Probably wouldnt cost much at all either. Good luck bro!

Oh I totally agreed. Choping the stock one WOULD make the shifts shorter...however it would make it very hard to shift. Cuting an aftermarket one would make more sense where you are replacing all of the bushings.

hahaha all i have to say is "basic physics"...

^^^(wouldnt that explain everything jbing just said to be wrong???)

LOL!!!
Maybe he took the "BASIC" physics class

^^^ ^^^ hope he doesnt have to take college physics like i am right now!

let me explain. since the pivot point hasnt changed on the shifter that has been cut, the throw below the pivot hasnt changed meaning the gear doesnt engauge any faster un like a true short throw where the armature is lowered along with the shortening of the entire rod. heres a picture.

the first one is a stock shifter, the second one is a cut shifter and the third one is a true short throw shifter

makes lots of sense. prettymuc if you chop the top, you are going to have a harder time moving hte shifter, less leverage but ur hand will technically not moving as far.

thats awesome

yeah but for the 4th gen celi here, my friend has a b&m short throw on his neon but hasnt goe new bushings yet. its shorter and stuff but its still ishy when shifting cause it wiggles around easier when shifting cause you have to use more leverage

I found out that the short shifter for the lancer and evo 8 works with the 4th gen with little modification, but would it come with the bushings, if not where would i get thoes?

no you're a dumbass, first off, dont start talking shit about people and what there saying until you know that the f**k your talkking about. The illustration that Jbing put is the right one, your jsut an idiot! You can shorten the top part of the shifter to an inch and it will be jsut the same as the stock shifter, why, because short throws dont jsut shorten the top part, the change the pivot point of the shifter. making it longer from the pivot to the bottom, so that it pops in quicker. Also, if you have seen the B&M, its a straight metal piece, rather then the curved piece of the stock one, do your fucking homework before you talk shit again!!
shortening the top part of the B&M will make it seem shorter, but it wont be shorter.

That's a nice Custom Mod. Should've just cut 1" instead of 1 1/2" but it's still sweet.

Does B&M SS come with a brushing? Is it the blue round rings that come in the box?

Hey, I have a SS. The throws are a tad shorter, but I can't shift, if I'm drag racing, into gears any faster than stock. If I could I think I would do some damage over time to my transmission. The throw is shorter, stiffer, more precise, and more mechanical (which I love). Think about it.

Oh really? Someone should paste my drawing and his together...if you think for one moment that your hand has to move as far with a chopped shifter you are retarded. Have you ever felt the difference yourself? No, I bet not. Of course Jbings drawing makes sense. However, you guys keep saying that it isn't faster when you just chop one down. That is bullshit. There is a clear difference in length of throw whether you like it or not.

look at this

its nice to see that someone else has common sense too

^^ your welcome!

hence, why everyone says that the TWM is the shorter SS, but B&M has the shorter shifts, so if your stupid reasoning is correct, then shouldnt everyone say that the TWM has the shortest stick and shortest throw???







Why dont you just stop acting like your 15 fucking years old and admit your wrong!

ARGHHH!! Look through my posts! I never said cutting it would give you shorter shifts! I said cutting your stock shifter would give you shorter shifts over your stock shifter! Obviously, cutting the B&M shifter would give you shorter shifts than a regular B&M shifter. JBing was just ripping on this guy without explaining all the facts.

I NEVER SAID THAT A CUT STOCK SHIFTER WOULD BE SHORTER THROWS THAN A B&M even at normal length...

Anyways, it is all about the lever. If the shifter were cut this short...(cutting your stock shifter is dumb in the first place), it would be very hard to move it because of the lack of leverage. Check this out. I tried to keep everything the same after the fulcrum. The way I am looking at is "how far will the shift knob itself move."

this kid is retarted, open a book and read it then come back and try to argue your point. better yet, ill save you the trouble, YOU ARE WRONG AND ARE TRING TO PROVE SOMETHING THAT ISNT RIGHT! so please stop acting like you know what your talking about and STFU

Oh as I said before, it is very dumb to cut your stock shifter. It will make the throw feel shorter because it is! However, good luck shifting as fast. You will have lost tons of leverage. I am not sure how feel about cutting a B&M shifter. I suppose it would work a lot better with all the bushings replaced, I still wouldn't do it though. The whole point of buying a short throw shifter is so you can shift FASTER not slower. People that cut there shifters are usually just doing it just for looks.

retarted. Hmmm. I am the RETARD?

PROVE me wrong! Prove to me that if you were to cut a 6" long (above the fulcrum) STOCK shifter to 1" that the shift knob would move the same distance. PROVE IT.

I will say again because no one reads my posts anyways... IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO SHIFT IF SHIFT AT ALL.

The shorter you get on one end of the fulcrum the harder is it to move the lever. However, the shorter you get on that end of the fulcrum the ratio between lever movement on the opposite side vs. lever movement on the shortend side grows. With loss of leverage, there is a gain in movement.

Ok here it is...

This is OBVIOUSLY comparing Stock to Stock...or B&M to B&M. None of this Stock vs. B&M WHICH I NEVER TYPED. Please read my posts before you call me "retarted"

^^^ thats exactly what i understand phyics to explain...

You are still saying that the throw is shorter, but you are missing the whole definition of the throw of a ss, i never said that the top part wouldnt be shorter, yes it would, but unless the bottom part of the pivot is changed, the "actual" shift into the gears, is still the same!

no you're a dumbass, first off, dont start talking shit about people and what there saying until you know that the f**k your talkking about. The illustration that Jbing put is the right one, your jsut an idiot! You can shorten the top part of the shifter to an inch and it will be jsut the same as the stock shifter, why, because short throws dont jsut shorten the top part, the change the pivot point of the shifter. making it longer from the pivot to the bottom, so that it pops in quicker. Also, if you have seen the B&M, its a straight metal piece, rather then the curved piece of the stock one, do your fucking homework before you talk shit again!!
shortening the top part of the B&M will make it seem shorter, but it wont be shorter.



NO KIDDING! Man, it took you that long to figure out what I was trying to say?! Find one post of mine saying that cutting a stock shifter would be efficient? Find one post of mine where I say "Cut a stock shifter to make it a shorter throw than a B&M."!? None there? Hmmm. READ MY POSTS!!

However, you say in your posts, "do your fucking homework before you talk shit again!!"

Oh wait, I did my "fucking homework" and some College too.

But this is really the part I don't understand. "...shortening the top part of the B&M will make it seem shorter, but it wont be shorter...etc"

Do you mean shorter as in faster? I mean, isn't that the reason that a non-ricer would buy a SS?

Explain to me; if you had TWO shifters, lets say B&M. Both with the SAME ARMATURE, but one has TWICE the top section as the other, how moving HALF of the distance would not be faster? It would obviously be harder to shift, but if one could move each lever at the SAME SPEED, the one that was cut to half the length would complete the task in HALF THE TIME.

Is this not correct? If you answer "Yes" then I was correct and I believe you owe me an apology.

Oh, and one more thing. I have never heard of anyone associating the throw of a SS with the engagement of the gears. The throw is how much distance the top of the lever has to travel to engage the gear.

My understanding of the throw is the ANGLE that the shifter ARM has to travel, not the DISTANCE that the shift KNOB has to travel. If all that matters is the distance, you wouldn't even have to cut the shifter any shorter; just grab the shifter arm at it's base, and pull. Your hand will travel a shorter distance than if you put your hand on the top of the shift knob. Changing the length of the top part of the shifter changes the distance the shift knob travels, but it doesn't change the angle. The only way to change the angle is to move the fulcrum.

The diagrams provided are helpful, but just for kicks, here is an actual side-by-side comparison of the stock shifter and the B&M shifter.

there it is, the proof is in the puddin ^^^

the top part doenst mean shit when it comes to shifting, and yes, it does have to do with engaging the gears, thats what the fucking shifter is for, you can engage the gears quicker with a short throw, look at how the bottom of the B&M is longer then the stock, that is what allows it to kick in faster, it has nothing to do with how high the top part is!

Then why didn't they make the top part longer on the B&M? Admit it. It DOES matter. I mean, why didn't B&M just lengthin the bottom after the fulcrum? I mean, that way you would have more leverage! But no, they shortened the top for a reason. I guarentee that it is harder to shift a B&M than stock by just looking at it! It would be faster still, but harder to shift. There is far less leverage.

Oh and someone posted something about the shifter sliding? Sorry by distance that is what I meant...angle. Look at my drawings. I show curves not strait lines.


Oh, you didn't answer my question. Are you avoiding it?

Lol this is great...

Stop all the physics and bitching lol, watever watever, i dont care if i ENGAGE gears earlier or wat not, it looks cool, to me, and it feels like it shifts faster, if it does or dont i guess it really doesnt matter...But i know it sure feels like it.

LilJones it is the principle of the thing. I am man enough that if I am wrong I admit it. However, these guys have done nothing but say I am wrong and call me "retarted" (To quote Jbing. They haven't proven anything and make up stuff to argue about instead of focusing on the facts. I dunno, I want an apology. Then, I am done.

ok rocketman your half right.it goes with what your saying on the top of the shifter if its shorter then the thing travels less of an angle to engage gears on the bottom side, but if the bottoms longer then that means the top has to move less therefore saying the TOP HALF DOESNT DO SHIT and the length is just for looks. you could lengthen the bottom end of the shifter and still keep the top end stock height and you WOULD STILL HAVE TO MOVE IT LESS OF AN ANGLE TO ENGAGE THE GEAR. theres the physics in a short shifter. now someone lock this topic theres enough anger in here for one thread

What a fucking retard. If you had a shifter that was 4 feet long, and one that was 4 inches long, it would still have to travel the same distance.

The only thing that would change would be the amount of force needed to move the shifter.



I swear to god. Some of the dumb fucks on this site (Rocketman) think they know all there is to know about cars, and then don't even know the basics, such as physics. Get your fucking head out of your ass and go to school for fucks sake, and put the fast and the bicurious movies away.

Dude how old are you? Honestly! I am no wiz at physics, but this is so simple it is rediculous! See that ball on the shifters? That is a FIXED point. I call it the fulcrum because THAT IS WHAT IT IS. You say I don't know physics, but what you are saying makes no sense at all. It is very easy to say something...BUT PROVE IT! I have posted many drawings that MAKE SENSE!

Maybe I need to make a damn movie where you idiots can see what the hell I am talking about! This is so damn retarded... 4feet and 4inches above the Fulcrum ARE HUGE DIFFERENCES! Especially if the shaft below the fulcrum hasn't changed length!

I know, go take a pencil, hold it at a fixed point 1" away from the top and swing it. You will notice that the bottom moves the whole distance with the top barely moving any actual horizontal distance at all. Yes, the angles are the same, but the actual distance traveled is small. now, hold the pencil in the middle and swing it. This is the simplest hands on example I can think of. If you can't figure this out YOU need to go back to school.

The reason B&M shortened the top of there shifter was to help shorten the throw. They installed a counter weight to help the movement and not make it as difficult and moved the fulcrum up about an inch to let the bottom half swing in faster! Think about it, IT WORKS BOTH WAYS! DAMNIT!

I was looking into that kenwood head unit. Do you mind me asking what you paid for it?

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cant we all just get along...

Ummm...since when did the Fast & Furious movies talk about short shifters? ...ya they didn't...

dude it doesnt matter how long the top is, it wont shorten the distance the top end overall has to move. now THATS so simple its stupid. the bottom end moves the same distance no matter what the length of the top is.lengthen the bottom and then and only then will you have a short THROW shifter

To quote Rocketman:
Dude how old are you? Honestly! I am no wiz at physics, but this is so simple it is rediculous!

oh boy FF was mentioned... all credibility on this subject has gone out the window

^^ HA HA, yeah, once FF is mentioned is all gone to hell!!

cant believe this thread is still open

Ok, I officially give up. Did anyone try my "Hands On" Pencil thing?