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yes, I actually have them in my hand grin I picked them up last night.

next step is to get them installed and do my before/after dynos.

I'll keep everyone updated on the progress and let you know as soon as I have the dynos.

Bad news is that this is going to be too aggressive to run on the stock ecu.

for comparison this would be like the equivalent of a stage 2.5 cam for the rsx guys.

the main focus was mid - low end power with a slight increase on the high lobe.

Now, unlike what people have imagined I fully expect to be raising lift and NOT lowering it to make more power. I'm pre-guessing we made end up with lift at around 7K rpms. but this is still just speculation.

also here's what the stock specs were actually at...

Intake side only:
Low - 234 degrees duration, .190" of lift
High - 302 degrees duration, .265" of lift

I dunno if chris wants me to post his numbers til after the dynos cause we didnt discuss that so, I'll wait for him to decide on that.

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remember this is still a prototype.

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awesome cant wait for the numbers thumbsup thumbsup

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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
Bad news is that this is going to be too aggressive to run on the stock ecu.

so we need a power FC or some other engine management to tune the air/fuel

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it's the VVT we're worried about.

after the dynos when we release the specs, this will make more sense. Chris decided it's best to wait til the dynos have been made to release the specs.


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WOW i cant belive my eyes FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I told you guys rofl


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looks good mikey thumbsup


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awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww i want more pix blind me some more Mike

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wow, how cool! TPR guys are really on the ball! thanks guys!!


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what about us 03 and up guys who can't use PFC?
will this require some sort of engine management?


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glad when i traded in my 2000 for 2003, i did't get a GTS cause i don't have a DBW smile I want one! I can't wait to mod my car with all TPR thumbsup

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hey Mike i have a question, did you only get one cam? or both witch cam is the one in the pix the intake or the exhaust one?

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the 2003 - 2005 guys wil probably be screwed for now like with everything else.

that cam is the intake cam.


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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
the 2003 - 2005 guys wil probably be screwed for now like with everything else.

that cam is the intake cam.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cry cry

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik_Pride
Originally Posted by Lucky_317
the 2003 - 2005 guys wil probably be screwed for now like with everything else.

that cam is the intake cam.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cry cry


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the exhaust cam would be useless to do


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two things
1) be careful and dont hurt your shit ( raising lift to 7000 rpms whoooooooo, sounds steep but if the powers there idunno
2) why would replacing the exhuast cam's be useless?


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good stuff mike.

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Originally Posted by Polykarb
Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik_Pride
Originally Posted by Lucky_317
the 2003 - 2005 guys wil probably be screwed for now like with everything else.

that cam is the intake cam.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cry cry


HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! thumbsup rofl rofl j/k

About damn time!, Now we need an good, inexpensive stroker!

You wont get the full advantage of the cam with a stroker kit.

Cam = higher revving power
Stroker = lowering rev limit

see frown

we'll make PLENTY of power from this little 1.8 liter thumbsup


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Originally Posted by My Sixth Gear
the exhaust cam would be useless to do
you mind explaining this?

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Originally Posted by sakara
looks good mikey thumbsup


now make somethin for my damn all trac angry rofl

Sorry, they stopped making parts for your car...years ago. rofl

Nice camshaft! Chris does it again! thumbsup


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Originally Posted by Clos
Originally Posted by My Sixth Gear
the exhaust cam would be useless to do
you mind explaining this?

Well think of it this way, we have a variable valve timing system. Meaning we can change the valve overlap and duration using the ecu. The intake cam is the only cam that is variable. So, by doin an intake cam, we can alter the overlap/duration more thru the ecu. By doing the exhaust cam, we can only alter it slightly.


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well i am happy to see tpr attempting a venture so involved such as this.
just the fact that they even attempted to produce a prototype shows there dedication to the 2zz market.
i for one will be one of the first to pic up this fine product after there has been thorough testing and it has shown that it can withstand "the daily grind"
i would also like to see those damn headers to by the way grin thumbsup
good luck

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8600 rpm killer!!!!!!

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And im sure lucky is gonna give it PLENTY of testing arent you lucky?

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I'm helping install the F/I crower cams, turbo, springs/valves on johnsgt's car. I been a lil busy today lol

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And im sure lucky is gonna give it PLENTY of testing arent you lucky?

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well duh lol I run my car harder then almost anyone here lol


lots of people make parts for the 3sgte lol


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Will the cam be F/I friendly?

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Originally Posted by gtspaul2zzge
Will the cam be F/I friendly?

Right now we think it will. smile


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Are there any rough figures for expected gains or price? or are we just hoping for some good gains and then see?

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hoping for 15-20 whp

price to be 1100-1300 area. depending on shops quote.


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awesome! i'll have to put it on my wishlist along with forged rims and a power FC wave

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Mike make sure you take a lot of pix wile installing the cams, and a lil video to hear the the cams thumbsup

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haha videos ... I love the way cars lope when they have cams i hope the celi does it too!!!

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once you see the specs for the cam you'll be amazed lol

the idle ought to be... well unique wink thumbsup

I think 10 whp peak will be realistic to aim for. but I think the big gains will be midrange. and the lift transition is gonna have some drastic changes.

I fully expext lift to be raised to about 7K and peak torque to be made around 7200 rpms give or take. I also expect peak power to move a lil bit too. I used to make peak power at 7800 rpms. I expect tht number to shift up around 8300.

but this is a guess based on best case scenario.

I'm waiting on shims from toyota before I can finish the install. expect nothing further til the end of the week. takes awhile to get the shims shipped.


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that a big price for 20 HP frown

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Originally Posted by Larry_GTS
that a big price for 20 HP frown

people pay more for the PFC and get less...


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so its gonna be 1Grand plus just for an intake cam?


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ONLY 1G for an intake cam is more like it. Barely breaking even on the part of the manufacturer is something the consumer should be thankful for. YES.


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Originally Posted by VSGTS14
what about us 03 and up guys who can't use PFC?
will this require some sort of engine management?


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i cant belive how this pplz keep fucking wining about the price. look guys im only fucking 18 years old, and work for a damn craft store. I make 8 an hour, but im not fucking complaning about the price, im just going to shut up and save up because its something you will never get for a cheaper price. shit if you want go to a cam shop and ask them to custom make you one and see wat you end up with. if you think this is way 2 expensive then walk away and stay under 200whp thats it end of it. sorry to look like an asshole but im just tired of pplz being cheap, if you really want performance be willing to pay for it. nothing is free or cheap now days angry

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Out of curiosity how did you afford a celica gts working at a craft store while in school? Hell I waited till i made 24 an hour full time before buying one. Maybe I should have bought a lexus

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source of money? have you seen the pics of this guy in Anything Goes/Off Topic? with all the chicks on his arm, you'd think he's super-pimp. rofl


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i only make $10/hr and have a 02 gts so i believe he an have one


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Originally Posted by AdamVIP
Out of curiosity how did you afford a celica gts working at a craft store while in school? Hell I waited till i made 24 an hour full time before buying one. Maybe I should have bought a lexus

I started working when i was i think 12 or 13 i forget...and bought my celi this past summer when i was 17 wave

i started off at like 6/hr...now i make almost 10...and yeah you should have bought a lexus rofllol

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i bought my celi making 10 bux an hour.


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I bought mine makin $19 lol but I also bought mine used for 10K.


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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1
source of money? have you seen the pics of this guy in Anything Goes/Off Topic? with all the chicks on his arm, you'd think he's super-pimp. rofl
hahahah thanks dude, there just friend wink
i should post all the pix i have of them modeling for my car grin

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...im still saluvating over this!!!!!!! grin


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need a TPR napkin?


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Originally Posted by Easy_C
need a TPR napkin?


rofl where is the prototype

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is that gonna be legal to put on?

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what? the TPR napkin? rofl


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Originally Posted by QTRMLR_1
what? the TPR napkin? rofl

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I dunno if you'd be able to pass smog with it on if thats what you're asking lol


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if you're worried about it you could hit up the junkyard and pick up an extra cam gear. thats one of the harder arts to do since most people dont have an air compressor. then you simply swap in/out the whole thing when it comes time for the smog check.


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but you might not have other bills to bay either . i'm putting my self though school paying for a place to stay etc...

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^^ hahaha soo true. i had to change to a higher paying job before i could even think about buying my '00 gts 6-spd. i've already gone through 2 engines (3rd on the way rolleyes )..yeah, i shoulda bought a honda spineyes

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Originally Posted by Speed4TheNeed
^^ hahaha soo true. i had to change to a higher paying job before i could even think about buying my '00 gts 6-spd. i've already gone through 2 engines (3rd on the way rolleyes )..yeah, i shoulda bought a honda spineyes

why on earth are you going through so many engines lol


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^^ lol the first engine i told you about..it just blew cause racing in the redline.

the 2nd engine i didnt even get to drive..it blew after installation thumbsdown

...so, whenever i can afford engine #3, that'll go in

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how hard is it to do the install? now i'm thinking about trading in my GT for a 2000-2001 GTS.

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well I'm gonna hope to install it soon as my car cools down. (just did a turnaround to lacaster that took 4 hours lol)

it shouldnt be too difficult.


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I'm cheating cause I already have the cam gear installed lol unfortunately I still have to put in new shims so it's gonna take awhile.
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I'm cheating cause I already have the cam gear installed lol unfortunately I still have to put in new shims so it's gonna take awhile.
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you still need to run air through it and tape up the holes then twist the vvt actuator to make sure it has the 30 degree range of motion needed mike.


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we did that last night at jeffs when we put the gear on. thumbsup


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Originally Posted by xXMaGNuSXx
how hard is it to do the install? now i'm thinking about trading in my GT for a 2000-2001 GTS.

it'll be after i pay off the car tho. by then, i'm sure they'll have plenty of more parts of for the car.

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Originally Posted by Speed4TheNeed
^^ hahaha soo true. i had to change to a higher paying job before i could even think about buying my '00 gts 6-spd. i've already gone through 2 engines (3rd on the way rolleyes )..yeah, i shoulda bought a honda spineyes


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Originally Posted by Speed4TheNeed
^^ lol the first engine i told you about..it just blew cause racing in the redline.

the 2nd engine i didnt even get to drive..it blew after installation thumbsdown

...so, whenever i can afford engine #3, that'll go in

How did yours blow in the redline. These engines can handle plenty of beating. The stock head has been known good up to 8600 RPM atleast...Im baffled? misshift maybe?


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isn't the reason we have a rev limiter at redline etc to keep your engine from damage?

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I rev to 8600 for the last 40K miles lol basically the entire life of my engine lol and I know I beat the crap outa my car. granted I take good care of it but still. I don't see how just that would blow your motor so fast.


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as of 1:58 am PST I declare the cam project dead until further notice.

basically there's no way this things getting installed without some new parts made. so until he finds a place to make this for him, these cams are now DOA cry

all I can say is I gave it a shot and it didnt happen. better luck next time I guess.


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...^^^ what new parts r you gonna need mike to make it happen???... confused


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^^^^WOW...Mike...how hard is it to get the VVTI controller off of the old cam and onto the new cam (With Air tools of course????

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Originally Posted by AdamVIP
Out of curiosity how did you afford a celica gts working at a craft store while in school? Hell I waited till i made 24 an hour full time before buying one. Maybe I should have bought a lexus
you mean an overpriced toyota!?

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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
as of 1:58 am PST I declare the cam project dead until further notice.

basically there's no way this things getting installed without some new parts made. so until he finds a place to make this for him, these cams are now DOA cry

all I can say is I gave it a shot and it didnt happen. better luck next time I guess.

NOOOOOOO!!! cry What new parts have to be made? frown

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shims...toyota only goes up to 80 we need something like 94


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Originally Posted by Easy_C
shims...toyota only goes up to 80 we need something like 94

...so r you gona try to fabricate something to fit it r may-b later on???... thumbsup

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yup. went too aggressive frown

valve clearance
before - .006"
After - .051"

size shim used - #44

44 + 51= 95 toyotas bigest shim is 80


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^^ they arent. the headers wont be out anytime in the near future.

part of the plan was to make enough money from the cam project to get the header made. and since the cam project is on an indefinitely holding pattern the header will be on the same path.

he gotta get all the old issues wrapped up before things will get better.


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How hard is it to have new shims made? frown

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this really sucks, what about that other company i heard about on new celica that is trying to make them have they run into the same problem, if anyone knows?


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^^ they havent posted any updates.

anyways luckily I found someone willing to custom make my measely 8 new shims lol they should be done anytime from tomorrow - tuesday lol

I wasnt sure if I could get someone to custom make such a small amount. they usually require at least 50. but I managed to talk him into it thumbsup

They costed me same as stock ones would have so everything worked out better then I had hoped. lol


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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
^^ they havent posted any updates.

anyways luckily I found someone willing to custom make my measely 8 new shims lol they should be done anytime from tomorrow - tuesday lol

I wasnt sure if I could get someone to custom make such a small amount. they usually require at least 50. but I managed to talk him into it thumbsup

They costed me same as stock ones would have so everything worked out better then I had hoped. lol

sweet we are back underway! awesome find thumbsup


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yeah I owe it to jesse I Lon the "other" site for hookin me up with a lead that got me to someone who would make my tiny 8 piece order lol


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It's good to see our broader celica family coming together for the common good happywink

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lol coming together means mike spending my money! lol wink thumbsup


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So basically these cams are so aggressive that new shims that are huge have to be made for this to work. So is TPR going to make another cam that wont be so hard to make work?

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no they are probably going to make a selection of large shims to accomodate the new need wink


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Im new at all this,so dont mind me asking. What exaxtly are shims. I want to learn as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by Genomaxter
Im new at all this,so dont mind me asking. What exaxtly are shims. I want to learn as much as possible.

I call it a shim but it's technically a valve cap. it helps you adjust the clearance between the rocker and the cam.

here's a picture of them (no you don't NEED this many lol I just wanted to have all the different sizes I could get just in case) it's amazing the things you start to collect rofl

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^^^ I cannot believe you actually found someone that can fabricate the bigger shims for you...how the hell do you find that kind of a service...local race shop fabrication you have there in cali???

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Originally Posted by AZZKIKR
^^^ I cannot believe you actually found someone that can fabricate the bigger shims for you...how the hell do you find that kind of a service...local race shop fabrication you have there in cali???

bit of luck and some connections


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Originally Posted by Illusive
Originally Posted by AZZKIKR
^^^ I cannot believe you actually found someone that can fabricate the bigger shims for you...how the hell do you find that kind of a service...local race shop fabrication you have there in cali???

bit of luck and some connections

thumbsup yup. lol my first responses were no. rofl actually I usually get a hell no soon as I mention 2zz lol

but I did get lucky. it was somebody who recomended somebody cause he knew somebody that did some work on a project and cause I actually knew what I wanted and he knew what it was and how to make it he said ok rofl

thats the short story long version with abut as much details as I can give out spineyes

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So the project's under way again??!! thumbsup Cant' wait!!!

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i am salivating awaiting the results...


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...yups


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looks like more delays. the shims most likely wont be done this week.

I'll post another update next monday cry


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^^^yeah, i know. i've been waiting for him to post the results all weekend.


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you think you got it bad? I have my head apart AND I have the cam just sitting there waiting to go in.

believe me if there was a way to get it done sooner I would do it.


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yea really. im freakin stressing about it AND i dont have my car apart lol.


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Any updates? frown Are you still waiting for the shims to be made?

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wont know anything until tomorrow. I highly doub tanything will change frown


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Originally Posted by Lucky_317
wont know anything until tomorrow. I highly doub tanything will change frown

It's tomorrow.

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the lack of posting on my part should leave people to automatically assume that as usual there are NO updates.

I'm kinda sick of this project at the moment so I'm not posting about it again until its done. so assume nothing is happening unless you see a new thread called cam dynos thumbsup


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i've blown 3 motors also speed4theneed so dont feel bad our stories are kinda alike i had my car for 2 days after the 2nd motor install and it blew then it blew again the 3rd time cause of oil pressure and engine #4 is running strong, knock on wood smile

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^^^^How in the world did you blow 3 motors?

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