Celica Forums General Discussion General hey civic haters...

yeah i was just wondering what everyone's got against civics... you guys act like they're the rival high school or something... is it because there are so many of them around? because i bet celicas would be the same way if they were more affordable... or is it because you don't like the looks?? i've never quite understood... i don't think the newer ones are bad looking cars... and a lot of people say hondas have good engines... so i was just wondering what the problem is

First offf...i personally don't have anything against civics...BUT:

I think most of it is because Civics are about the cheapest import car you can buy...and theres seemingly billions around. So the people who are like "wanna be" import tuner type guys who are on a really tight budget buy them because they can get a modified civic for less than any other car. they'll spend a grand on a civic and spend like $10 on a shit intake, $15 on a 5" fart can, $100 on a POS fiberglass body kit and slap on bondo because it doesnt fit...

It's just the most commonly poorly modded car...and you see way more that are extremely over riced or done really poorly because they are so cheap...that's most of the reason why people hate them...

BUT there are loads of parts out there for them...so someone with 20 grand to spend on a car can have a really killer civic. I've seen some fully built with turbo with 500whp...and no one can hate on that...

^^^same here...i have nothing against em

some turn out nice. i thinkits becasue people who put a body kit on ther and think they can take on any car. I have to say there are some pretty kick as civics though. it all depends ont he person more then the car iteself. but then again this goes for any car. You can have a gt auto put a kit on it and think you can take on any car too. There jsut happens to be liek a million cheap modded civics to every 1 cheap modded celica

so basically it's more about the people that BUY the civics than it is about the car... it's just easier to stereotype all civic owners into one big group by hatin on the car

We usually just pick on the people who rice them out, not the cars themselves

lol i guess so. personally i like the well modded civic. for me it has to be 2 door. Some poepl are jsut very judgemental. Its just like the ricer haters. People who onyl get domestic cars and belive all imports are crap rice cars. Nt to hate on mustang drivers but they seem to be the worst. My sister is a mustang driver and she thinks imports are crap. Now i love all cars, i woudlnt mind a new msutang, but seeing how hers (02) is built it seems to be lesser quality then the celica. Just has a bigger engine. Oh well, whatever floats their boat.

civics are the easiest car to be modified and cheapest. U can find so much more for the civics than celicas. like my car, its the next civic. Can't we all juss get along?

lol yea scions are the next civics. there are so many now. i personally think they look better off the bat then civics though

I agree with everyone, its nothing about the civic itself, its just people who buy shit parts and think they can take on any car.

I like Civics, especially the 2006 Civic Si Concept. I was gonna get a Civic instead of a Celica.

well i have a few civics here where i live, and i do have something against them, the 3 or 4 civics that are hear are completely stock with a few sticker maching stichers on them like "no fear" and dumb stuff like that, and they pull up to me all the time to race and think there all bad because there car was in fast and furious and they think they acutally have something, when its just cheap stock junk. It just bothers me because they dont know shit about modding or anything and slap some dumb stickers on and think there in the Fast and Furious, im sure there are others like that to with different cars but there fucking idiots!!!!!!!

^^ so again.. it's not the car.. it's the people that own the cars and do stupid things to them..

About 85% of the all ricers have a some type of small honda.

because hondas are proven to be better than toyotas..so all of us celica owners are jealous

ditto.

thats moer of a reason because they have SOOO much stuff out there for them. the parts are cheaper, the car is cheaper, so the drivers are younger and are less experienced with cars.

while it is true that there is more rice in civics than celicas..its also true that there is more style in civics than celicas as well. when you are as big a group as them...you get more of everything--the good, the bad, and the inbetween.

Honda>Toyota.

Its like every honda that is bought about 3/4 of them are riced out. You definitly see more riced out hondas vs. stock hondas. I personally dont like them because they are Very slow. Ive seen a few quick ones, but none of them have amazed me.

lets just say 60 percent of the pplz who drive this cars are spanish guys that watched fast and the furious and wanna be like hector and his friends. thats all there is to it. im spanish my self but i would never slap on a sticker or think im faster then a skyline, its just stupid wen they think because they have a body kit and a fart can, they can take on any car. but wat i do like the most is wen they try to race, i dont even have to hit lift to beat them

yeah again it's nothing about the car itself...i mean...it's no performance machine...but then again neither are the celica's really. They're built to last and get good gas mileage...it's just the drivers that have the personalities that have been previously described

cause... uh well just cause theyre civics dammit.

its not even so much about people buying parts for the cars its that people that dont know a thing about cars, much less imports buy them and think that their 115 horsepower is a lot and will take on anything...they dont need the mods, they just think of the civic bc everyone and their mom has one...and most of them look like shit

lol stop making fun of 115 HP car's.. lol i own one my self but it is a jetta... german car so i guess its not being made fun of yet

they are cheap, I bet you 1 million dollars that a brand new civic WILL break down in about 5-6 years, or atleast have to get engine work done. MOST ppl like to rice them out, they have the roll call, the park bench wing, the clears, and the trash can exhaust., they just look ugly. Yet they are very economical, thats the only advantage towards this car. The celica owns the civic any day! . also most ppl are jealous of all the after market support that it recieves, I really dont think the civic is worth it

i hate hondas period. they can all goto hell for i care. i will never buy a honda/acura for me or my kids. idk just a personal grudge againts them all. but on the contrary i might see one nicely moddend like once a month. but they can still all go to hell.

LOL alittle hostile. I like acuras but theri dealership sucks. If it wasnt for the smug delaers there i woudl be driving an 04 black rsx type s right now. They ordered me one from another dealer and we couldnt pick it up in time (which was a week after they said they woudl have it. And then they were saying how we have to come get it now becsaue its first come 1st serve. My dad is not a paitent man and doenst like getting pushed around, so he said F them. We went to toyota and got my gts that night Was 3grand more but man i love it

Acura people are jsut very snobbish. They think there cars are the almighty. Never very welcoming at the dealership.

But then on the otherhand the dleaer at toyota kept trying to sell me a used suv and couldnt understand i wanted a small sports car Dealerships are fun arnt they.

ps sorry for bad typing

^^^ you're saying all acura dealers are snobbish because you had a runin with a couple bad salespeople at ONE dealership???? that's a little unfair don't you think?

and GTQuentin... how come you have such a grudge against hondas??

A honda breaking down? I don't think so.

Such ignorance in this thread. How many of you have acutally OWNED a Honda/Acura?

People just dont like them because the majority are just ricers.

Honda's are still better when it comes to price/performance ratio.
Reliability wise they are the same. The comment said earlier about Civics breaking down withing 5-6 years is stupid. You really think a Celica could outlast it with stupid things like lift bolts breaking all the time?

I wouldn't mind owning an S2K either, at least Honda still currently produces sports cars in the US.

that's exactly what i was thinking...

X 3. i'd bet $$ that a toyota breaks down before a honda does.

i have a grudge against hondas because my sister has one... lots of repairs and stuff as soon as she hit 100k miles... maybe my sister wasnt driving well or sumtin but from all the civic owners i kno, nobody likes it because they have nothing on the hills.

P.S. i live in a mountainous area

Yea i think its all the peopel who drive them let alone the car themselves. Idk y and im not tyin to be steryotypical here but, most riced out civics are owned by Asains or Spanish with ghetto black people ricing out the hatchbacks.

btw , Are hondas really better than toyotas. i think japenese cars are the best made cars in the world but whose the best out of them?

my girlfriend drives a civic... shes such a ricer

Man ur really getting up in arms about all this. I just meant that the one i went to was very snobbish every time we went there. just the last time was the final straw for my dad. I have yet to go to anoyher acura dealership, but it hasnt discouraged me from going there in the future. As for acura drivers, just the ones i know and have met are pretty snobbish but i still love the rsx type s.

U cant generalize these things and you have to take what people say with a grain of salt (which i dont understand the meaning of ) I didnt mean to get you all upset about it, i was just saying what happened to me. Goodluck on your quest and i hope you dont take everything so serious. I love you celi btw

wait, what about indians v4shj16 what do they drive?? ..and go!

Geo Metro.

I fucking hate hondas and i have no reason why. I think its because my car is sexier and she hates ugly cars. Thats probably the reason haha

lol all indians i knew drove 90's lexus's, or is it lexi There were allot of indians in my school and for the most part they were all rather wealthy and drove soem nice stuff. As for the not so weathly i dont know.

idk wat indians drives. acuttly come to think of it i dont often see indians driving to begin with. usual just indian women whose husbands are doctors or soemthing liek that , so they be driving acura suvs liek the mdx or other luxuary suvs.

well good lord... 100,000 miles?!?! i'd like to see ANY car that doesn't start having problems with that many miles on it...

i have a friend with a civic and her car gets up and down hills fine... and we live in a freakin valley where there are steep hills EVERYWHERE

wait a min... i think ive seen an indian driving a civic before!
add them to the list ...civics are so multicultural!

well if it helps you understand me any better i'm pregnant... sorry if i am sounding like i'm taking this to heart... i'm not but it's probably coming out that way... blame my seriousness on the hormones.. haha... i'm just trying to figure out why so many people hate on those cars... i never really understood... and some of the comments people make.. make no sense so i'm just voicing my opinion.. haha

and thank you i can't wait till spring so i can get my celi back out of the garage... i miss it

no problem. congrats on the prego'ness when are you due? Yea some peoples comments make me just shake my head.

riced out civics arent multicultural. as for stock ones, yes

thanks i'm due july 16th... i'm just wondering how long it'll take till i can't reach the clutch anymore... haha...

haha i think its funny that any acura dealership could act snobbish (not saying they don't..i just think its funny that they are)..it's a freakin rebadged honda. i like hondas more than toyotas but geez...its NOT a bmw or benz dealership..much less a ferrari one.

acura, lexus & infiniti don't even exist in japan..they just use toyota, honda, and nissan. lol at snobby acura salespeople, thats ridiculous

acura rsx = honda integra
acura nsx = honda nsx
infiniti g35 = nissan skyline

dumb snobby people

your deff going to have to post osme pics of the baby in its 1st celica

Yea they really were acting as if they were the almighty. I mean i love acura's, the tl is a spiffy ass car. But dont try to put me down when i am lookign at buying it. I would still consider getting an acura later on, just from another dealer Is the G35 really = skyline over there? figured it owuld jsut be 4 seater z

^^ the skyline is sold in both 2 door and 4 door r35 models in japan...over here there called the g35 sportscoupe and the g35 sports sedan. (they didn't sell the r34 versions in north america when they were in production)

they're thinking about bringing the gt-r version over here as well for '06

thats what i hear. Thatll be spiffy do they have the 350 over there as well as the skyline or no?

what's with the hate on the supposed civic haters?
stop the hate!!!

I used to drive a civic...on NFSU.

yea..they def do.

almost all cars are available in every developed country (there are a few exceptions..such as the scion tc, which is sold only in america)..they're just sold under different names..and sometimes different brand. westerners tend to associate with brands, eastern cultures tend to associate with usefulness. therefore whereas japanese would say "my toyota is better than your toyota because of this & that & this", an american would place an entire brand in one group--"my toyota is just as good as your toyota cause its a toyota" BUT "my lexus is better than your toyota because its a lexus".

thats obviously oversimplified but the basis is true. just think about it..practically everyone we know would rather drive a mercedes than a honda. thats because we associate mercedes as a higher class brand than honda..even though higher-end hondas easily beat lower-end mercedes in practically every category including power, handling, comfort, design, and features. but we'd still take the mercedes almost every time, even though it is less of a car in reality.

that goes hand in hand with what i said earlier..thats the reason lexus, infiniti, scion, and acura do not exist in japan...cause they could care less about what brand it is. it's what that particular car has to offer and thats the bottom line. here, we'd rather drive an acura than a honda or a lexus rather than a toyota..but its practically the same car. take off any body part on a lexus and it'll have toyota printed on it. same goes for acura & infiniti.

that's why lincolns are nothing but rebranded fords with a few more comfort features. same for most brands.

expedition = navigator
explorer = aviator
escape = mercury mountaineer
f-150 = blackwood (and they have a new one coming out for the new version f-150s..won't be called a blackwood though)
escalade = yukon
escalade ext = avalanche and so on and so forth

OKKK, so because you own a celica, you definately know your shit about modding?? Gee I didn't know purchasing a Celica made someone a mod-god

What a dumb post.

Maybe all those Honda haters are jealous of all the aftermarket support...or that Honda's are cars that actually LAST for years and years.

I have a 92 Accord with almost 160k miles on it, and with the exception of VERY minor changes/fixes, it runs awesome.

I am deff jealous of the aftermarket support hondas get. We have to buy everythign directly from japan where as from them, they get domestic and knockoffs all for cheaper. Hell is someone mad the c-one 03+ lip replica over here and sold it for ww price i woudl snatch that up in a hearbeat. Unfortunatly there are few celicas and probably only half mod them (other half are sorority girls that hit yoru car ) Oh well supply and demand

...yupes!!! dnt really know what it is but, i would never drive a honda/acura...ever!!!...u could say like this...would you buy and wear a clothing line even though you hated it and other people liked so much and struting it round like its da shit?!?!?!?...its just that if he/she gets "h" in da front of their car, they think they're invincible and they go a slap on super white bulbs they could take n-e-thing out there...stupid...half the time people dnt even know how to drive there own car let alone thinking bout what v-tec means!!!!...yeah its real-ee easy to mod a civic, but where is the fun in that...go to pep boys and get a crap-ee apc intake, get a crap-ee ass fart can muffler from discount tire r something and off they go!!!!

well , i hate mostly the drivers since they are assholes that think thier dx is a supercar, i dont specifically hate the car but for anything more than a to b cheap driving i would never think of buying one, and i am definately jealous that the aftermarket supports those so much, what about us? we paid more for our car so why not give us the option to better mod it? i dunno, i have yet to see a nicely modified local civic, i really dont even like a lot that i see in the magazines, but embarrasingly enough i do somewhat like the 06 si but not enough to buy it

who's hatin on civic haters?



you guys have to remember too... if the celica was in a reasonable price range... they would be just as bad as the civics... tons of kids buying them and ricing them out... the ONLY reason that people don't do that to the celica is because they're so expensive... which is also why there is less aftermarket support... because it doesn't make sense business-wise to provide a product with a small number of demand... (lesser demand in comparison to civics) take a look at most of the celicas... the majority of them are stock... i am the ONLY person within a 50 mile radius from where i live with a modded celica...

the only honda i would ever drive (test drive that is is an S2000) even in need for speed i would not touch the honda. The reason is IS because of the ricers out there and most are on the cheap civic. Oh, the style of the Celica is wayy better in my opinion. I like the look so much better, more creativity went into the celica then did the civic. Also, toyota is still number one (numero uno) in quality compared to any other car! oh, haundyai (spelling is way off i know i forgot how to spell it) is number 2 so is that!!

Oh and to Traviesa86, runforcover01 never said because he had a celica he knows about modding a car and that wasn't implied. What he said what that he didn't like the civics around him because they throw stickers on their car and act all fast. where the fuck did you get that because he has a celica he knows about modding...he never said that. Is it that you are pissed cause he doesn't like the civics near him because you have a honda??

its funny what people say when they are made lol, they make total asses of themselves cause they say shit that isn't true.

And with the after market support, the only reason that i see that honda civics have so much is cause they are the low end, inexpensive car and people were buying them so to make money, companies started making after market parts. Celica's are more money so less people can afford them so not as much support can go into them because companies will waste a lot of money since not as many people will buy the after market parts. Economics...people should know more about it.

I have a question though...what type of drivers of civics are near all of you? there are certain types around me..I mean near my school next to New Bedford and Fallriver...dont' take this the wrong way anybody but those two places are crap cities and don't have much money...so they rice them out. My thing is, save up, buy a nice car and then it will be better then a riced out crap car!And then save up more and buy nice things for the car! Is it a majority race that are ricers cause over here that is what it is so i want to see if it is like that everywhere. Thanks.

Supply and demand...economics!

i think she was using the "celica modding" thing as an example... cause people are ACTING like the only people who buy civics are those who don't know how to mod... and she was just pointing out that it's not any different than a celica... just because you have a celica doesn't mean you know how to mod... and just because you buy a civic doesn't mean you don't know how to mod...


i know that was confusing but do you understand what i'm getting at?


and not to be mean but you're usually the one who makes an ass of themselves when they're mad... not kristen

you can't compare cars to clothing because clothing has nothing to do with performance... and the smart car buyer when looking for a car does not only look for "style" but reliability and performance... with clothing you just look at "style" and maybe if you're like me... the feel of the fabric...

and again... you're saying you would never drive a honda/acura because you THINK the people who drive them think they're invincible... does that make much sense?? for one... how do you know what these people are thinking? and for two.. the celica would be THE SAME WAY... if it was cheaper... then people would be thinking because there was a toyota symbol on the front of your car that you think you're invincible... and that you don't even know how to drive your own car let alone think about what VVTL-i means...

do you see what i'm getting at here?? your opinion is not about the car... it is about the DRIVER... again... no reason to hate on honda... hate on the ricers

thanks april, that's exactly what i meant...I could give a crap less whether or not someone likes a certain car, but don't 'hate' on honda's 'just because' which was what he was doing.

k, i see what your saying...makes sense. Misunderstood thanks for clearing up.

and how do i make an ass of myself when i am mad?? are you talking about?
How do you know if i am mad?

It was a general statement, she seemed mad but i misunderstood her.

no prob.

I was just trying to point out that his post didn't really make sense, and he was making it seem like he was all high-and-mighty because he has a celica.

no problem

still how the hell do i make an ass of myself?

i think we need to end this

lol, i dunno ask april

not in this post you really didn't... but you have before... (northeastern forum for example) don't take what i say to heart today... i'm bitter.. haha... so stuff might come out wrong when i don't mean it that way... sorry

are you talking about the turbo thing?? that was cause i wasn't clear and he didn't get what i meant so he was an ass how he went about it and i was an ass back...anyways, np, i took it to heart but ill get over it...think this thread has run its course??

My g/f drive a 98 honda civic ex STOCK w/ over 100,000miles on it with no problem My two best friend also own a modded civic w/ no engine upgrade, sticker everywhere, and 3 stock rim w/ one 18 white rim. I actually like civic when it modded right...but too bad a lot of civic owner think they're fast with their junky ebay body kit and their rims offer to them at car wash

what turbo thing?? i'm not sure as if i ever read that convo... no i'm talkin about that widebodyboy thing where you were freakin out cause he called sara a masshole and you got offended cause you're from mass too... so you were sayin a bunch of crap that really wasn't neccessary... that's all...

Between my friends and family I have driven many Hondas and Acuras (almost bought a accord once) and I must say I have nothing against there cars. Its the dumb crap people do to them.

I hate on tasteless cars no matter the brand really, I've caught heat here for hatin on celicas. I can't let any parkbench go by unhated.

no need to end it... nothing's getting out of hand...

acura rsx = honda integra
acura nsx = honda nsx
infiniti g35 = nissan skyline

dumb snobby people [/quote]

I'll add some more:

Acura TSX = Honda Accord
Acura RL = Honda Legend (?)
Honda Accord = Honda Inspire
Nissan 350Z = Nissan FairladyZ

and there's many more.

I had 2 Civic's and they are great cars and have excellent reliability. They are not the kind of cars you wanna dope out because it will cost you as much as you payed for the car, PERIOD.

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as has been sadi, it's the people. i don't mind the kid at my school that has a civic SiR with a real exhaust and intake, but the kid that has an SiR DX, that's just ridiculous.

oh that, lol, i was j/k around about that you took that wayyy to seriously

And the turbo thing was just a huge misunderstanding of what i said about turbo cause i left one part out. He wasn't nice about how he said it but i kinda took it to heart so i responded badly. But i was j/k about the whole masshole thing.

I dont hate Honda or Acura at all. I like the S2000 and the RSX S. They are nice cars. My bigger bro has a manual 97 accord with a Vtec engine that he got from sum guy in Miami. That cars engine has had EVERYTHING done to it except body kit and either a turbo or SC. I bet its fast, but sadly he had to go to the middle east to fight so it will be sum time before I see his car runnin again.

I remember when I went to look for my Celica, the dealership kept tryin to sell me a Solara. The guy was like "Look at this hot lil car, PLUS its cheaper than the Celica and has more hp." then I said, "For the 3rd time, I said I came for a Celica, dont you DARE try and change my mind cause Ill just leave and go to another dealership." That shut him up pretty good. It turned out later that they didnt even HAVE a Celica on lot much less a GTS. SO I went 50 miles farther to another Toyota and saw my current baby. I grabbed her RIGHT before sum guy wit a cigar took here for himself. HE WAS PISSED that I got it 5 min before he did...I hope it wasnt one of you guys. For you N.O. plp, I got my Celica at Lakeside Toyota.

haha... ohhhhhhhhhhh my bad... i thought you sounded serious... i've been taking the most retarded things serious lately... can't wait till july... haha

i'd take a honda over a toyota

^^ nice double meaning.

ok wow this thread is whacked, most of the new cars are low quality. The Celi it's a lot nicer than new Civics and I love my bucket of bolts. But come-on guys they just don't build them very well anymore, my 1969 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 & 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-500 would rip this car a new hole, the horse power has gone down not up lol. I like just about any car except mini vans and some space ship looking cars, SUV's, to many damn mini vans and space ships on the road

Ok for real, I love this Celi I own, it's great but I doubt I will be buying a brand new car ever again. I paid cash for mine and it was the biggest pain in my ass. All dealers of every kind where aholes with a capital A, not a single one gave a darn or wanted to get the car I wanted, they just wanted to sell me something they had.

I wanted to see what the experience was like to buy a brand new car and it sucked. I had to threaten the dealer I got mine from to get them to take care of the preexisting problems. Yet I had a singed "We Owe" the day I purchased the car, that I finally got the money from. I got the car in September 2004 and just got the money to fix the preexisting problems in Feb 2005.

So I can say with 100% confidence that all dealers I dealt with are fin aholes. I could tell you all the dealers I dealt with and all the stories but I don't fell like it, you can find some on this site. But I can tell you one dealer Boddy Rahall gave me a better shake than anyone else and yet they where only doing warranty work, wth oh well maybe they would be the next place to go if someone wanted a new Toyota / Honda.

I still like some Honda's and Acura's.